{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 276/1923-06-09/p025","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Because if she stood there colored like the Apostles we would have to say that the artist presented her as virtuous. This is the way he presents the Apostles; we cannot conceive of them otherwise than looking upward in their virtue. But this for Mary would he inappropriate. With her, virtue is so self-evident that we must not express it. It would be like presenting God as virtuous. If something is self-evident, if it has become the being itself, we must not express it in mere outer semblance. Therefore Mary soars up into a region beyond all virtues, where we cannot say of her, through colors, that she is virtuous, any more than we can say of God that He is virtuous. He may, at most, be virtue itself. But this is an abstract, philosophical statement having nothing to do with art. With the Apostles, however, the artist succeeded in representing, through his color treatment, virtuous human beings. They are virtuous.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture VI","site_heading":"Painting and the Spiritual Radiance of Color","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. Cite the unit by its title and locus, never by this heading, and do not quote it.","date":"1923-06-09","location":null,"word_count":161,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/276/1923-06-09/p025","alignment_confidence":"medium","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Lisa D. 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Ich rede jetzt nur von diesem Bilde, ich sage nicht, daß überall die Maria, wenn sie auf der Erde steht, künstlerisch beleidigend sein muß, aber auf diesem Bilde wäre es ein Faustschlag ins Gesicht für denjenigen, der das künstlerisch anschaute, wenn da unten die Maria stünde. Warum? Sehen Sie, stünde sie da unten in der Färbung der Apostel, so müßte man nämlich sagen, die Maria wurde von dem Künstler dargestellt als tugendhaft. So stellt er in der Tat die Apostel dar. Wir können gar keine andere Vorstellung haben, als daß die Apostel in ihrer Tugendhaftigkeit hinaufschauen. Aber das dürfen wir von der Maria nicht sagen. Bei der ist das so selbstverständlich, daß wir nicht ihre Tugend ausdrücken dürfen. Es wäre gerade so, wie wenn wir Gott tugendhaft darstellen wollten. Wo etwas selbstverständlich ist, wo es etwas wird, was das Sein selber ist, da darf es nicht bloß im äußeren Scheine dargestellt werden. 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