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For in human life, as soon as one moves from the so-called healthy, relatively healthy, to the relatively sick, there is actually almost no possibility of completely isolating the person. The human being certainly develops into a complete individuality, into an isolated life. He does this precisely through his psyche, but through that which deviates in the psyche from the straight line of development. What deviates in the physical from the so-called normal development is not so. I can only hint at this, of course; one would otherwise have to make hours of explanations if one wanted to prove it in detail. It is not the case that one can look at it in isolation; the human being is much more of a social being, even in the deeper sense, than one usually thinks. And in particular, mental illnesses can actually only rarely be assessed on the basis of, say, the biography of the individual, the isolated individual. 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For the case may well be, and in numerous cases is, that another person, who lives with the person who has become ill, or who has become mentally ill, let us say in a family or in some other community, actually has within himself, let us say, a complex of forces that has led to mental illness in his fellow human being. So, we start with these two people: one person, A, has the attack, from a psychiatric point of view; person B has a complex of forces within them, of a psychically organic nature, which perhaps, if you were to look at it in isolation, shows what is called the cause of the illness in individual A to a much greater extent. 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Und die Tatsachen der Psychiatrie, die sind im Grunde genommen noch schwieriger zu beobachten, weil sie eine größere Vorurteilslosigkeit erfordern als die Tatsachen der physischen Gesetzwirkung. Denn in dem Menschenleben gibt es eigentlich im Grunde genommen, sobald man vom sogenannten Gesunden, relativ Gesunden, zu dem relativ Kranken übergeht, fast keine Möglichkeit, den Menschen vollständig zu isolieren. Der Mensch entwickelt sich gewiß zu einer völligen Individualität, zu einem isolierten Leben. Das tut er gerade durch sein Psychisches, aber durch dasjenige, was im Psychischen abweicht von der geradlinigen Entwickelung. Was im Physischen abweicht von der geradlinigen, sogenannten normalen Entwickelung, das ist nicht so. Ich kann das nur andeuten natürlich, man müßte sonst stundenlange Ausführungen machen, wenn man es im einzelnen belegen wollte, es ist nicht so, daß man es isoliert betrachten kann; der Mensch ist viel mehr ein, auch im tieferen Sinne genommen, soziales Wesen, als man gewöhnlich meint. Und insbesondere lassen sich eigentlich psychische Erkrankungen in den seltensten Fällen bloß beurteilen nach, sagen wir, der Biographie des einzelnen, isolierten Individuums. Das ist fast ganz unmöglich.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":207,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/314/1920-03-26/p013"},{"locus":"GA 314/1920-03-26/p014","passage_number":14,"text":"Ich möchte Ihnen lieber durch ein hypothetisches Beispiel als durch Theorien das andeuten, was ich eigentlich meine. Sehen Sie, es ist zum Beispiel möglich, daß in irgendeiner Gemeinschaft, sei es eine Familien- oder sonst irgendeine Gemeinschaft, zwei Menschen nebeneinander leben. Der eine hat nach einiger Zeit das Unglück, einen Anfall zu bekommen, den man also in das Gebiet des Psychiatrischen versetzt. Man kann nun selbstverständlich diesen Menschen isoliert behandeln. Aber wenn man es tut, namentlich wenn man sich die Anschauung bildet aus der isolierten Betrachtung dieses Menschen, dann wird man in vielen Fällen eigentlich nur einer Gedankenmaske zum Opfer fallen. Denn der Fall kann durchaus so liegen und liegt in zahlreichen Fällen so, daß ein anderer, der mit dem Krankgewordenen, dem psychisch Krankgewordenen eben zusammenlebt, sagen wir, in der Familie oder in irgendeiner anderen Gemeinschaft, eigentlich in sich den, sagen wir Kräftekomplex hat, der bei seinem Mitmenschen zur psychischen Erkrankung geführt hat. Also wir gehen zunächst von diesen zwei Menschen aus: der eine Mensch A hat den — psychiatrisch betrachtet — Anfall; der Mensch B hat einen Kräftekomplex in sich, psychisch organischer Natur, der vielleicht, wenn man ihn so für sich betrachten würde, dasjenige, was man bei dem Individuum A die Ursache seiner Erkrankung nennt, in viel stärkerem Maße zeigt. Das heißt, der B, der nun gar nicht psychisch erkrankt ist, der hat eigentlich diese Ursache der psychischen Erkrankung in sich in viel stärkerem Maße als der Mensch A, den man ins Sanatorium bringen mußte.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":245,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/314/1920-03-26/p014"},{"locus":"GA 314/1920-03-26/p015","passage_number":15,"text":"Das ist etwas, was durchaus im Bereich der Wirklichkeit, nicht bloß der Möglichkeit liegt. 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Der A hätte die Krankheit aber auch gar nicht bekommen, wenn er nicht durch den Einfluß des Menschen B, der neben ihm lebt, und der in diesem Falle außerordentlich beträchtlich sein kann, weil der B robuster ist als der A, wenn er nicht durch den Menschen B fortwährend psychisch beeinflußt wäre.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":131,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/314/1920-03-26/p015"},{"locus":"GA 314/1920-03-26/p016","passage_number":16,"text":"Da haben Sie ein Beispiel, das eben durchaus in zahlreichen Fällen eine Wirklichkeit darstellt, aus dem Sie ersehen, wie wichtig einfach die psychiatrische Betrachtungsweise ist, wenn sie im Ernste auf Wirklichkeiten ausgehen will, wenn sie nicht spielt in der Weise, wie oftmals heute auf diesem Gebiete gespielt wird. 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