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Particularly with the so-called mental illnesses it is absolutely clear that in every case one can indicate where the diminished organization of some organ resides. An individual who truly wishes to know the nature of melancholia or hypochondria driven to the point of mental illness must not wade around in the soul element; he should rather attempt to determine, from the condition of the abdominal organs of the person in question, how the diminished organization is influencing the person's abdominal organization. He should attempt to determine how a force of organization that works less strongly than normal allows something to precipitate out, so to speak—just as in chemistry one precipitates something out of a solution so that a sediment occurs—how a diminished force of organization in the physical-bodily element, which would otherwise be permeated by the force of organization, precipitates something out and how this precipitate is then present in the organism as something physical-bodily, how it is deposited in what takes place in the liver, gall, stomach, heart, and lungs. These processes are not so accessible to investigation as one would like nowadays, when people prefer to stick to the crude aspects—for histology also remains at the crude level. 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It naturally seems more interesting if a hypochondriac can say that his soul life is active in such-and-such a way in the soul-spiritual cosmos than to say that there is a diminished force of organization in his liver. It is more interesting to look for the causes of hysteria, let us say, in the soul-spiritual; it is more interesting than if one simply points to the metabolic processes of the sexual organs when speaking of hysterical phenomena or if one speaks of irregularities in the metabolism that spread throughout the organism. Little will be learned about these things, however, if the investigation is not pursued in this way.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":125,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/314/1920-10-08/p029","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Alice Wuslin and Gerald F. 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It is certainly not so arrogant as to try to explain mental illnesses abstractly by mental means; instead it leads, particularly in the case of mental illness, to a material grasp of mental illness.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":110,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/314/1920-10-08/p030","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Alice Wuslin and Gerald F. Karnow","identified_edition":"MP1986a","book_title":"Physiology and Therapeutics","publisher":"Mercury Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA314/English/MP1986a/19201008p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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One need not look back very far—perhaps still with Griesinger and others, or in the pre-Griesinger era in psychiatry—to discover that not so long ago psychiatrists also at least incorporated the bodily condition in their diagnoses. But what has become more and more common today? It has become commonplace for psychiatrists to flood us with descriptions of illness in their literature that merely describe the soul-spiritual abnormalities, so that here materialism has actually led us into an abstract soul-spiritual domain. This is its tragedy. Here materialism itself has led away from materialism. This is what is so remarkable about materialism, that in certain regards it leads to a misunderstanding, to a lack of comprehension of the material world itself. One who pursues the spirit as a real fact, however, also pursues it where it works its way into the material and where it then withdraws so that the material is deposited, as in the so-called mental illnesses.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":172,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/314/1920-10-08/p031","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Alice Wuslin and Gerald F. Karnow","identified_edition":"MP1986a","book_title":"Physiology and Therapeutics","publisher":"Mercury Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA314/English/MP1986a/19201008p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Mit diesen Beschreibungen kann man natürlich Sensationen bei Laien sehr gut hervorrufen, denn es ist immer interessant, wie irgend jemand, der närrisch ist, abweicht von dem normalen Maß des Lebens. Denn interessant ist das Seltene, und es ist in unserer Zeit doch so, daß wenigstens noch als Seltenheit auftritt dasjenige, was in dieser Weise vom normalen Leben abweicht. Aber dabei stehenzubleiben, darum kann es sich nie handeln. Insbesondere kann es sich nicht darum handeln, etwa hinzutreiben zu dem laienhaft dilettantischen Urteil, daß der Geist und die Seele erkrankt seien, und daß man den Geist und die Seele nun irgendwie durch geistigseelische Maßnahmen, wie es sich die Abstraktlinge träumen, kurieren kann. Nein, gerade bei den sogenannten Geisteskrankheiten hängt es in eminentester Weise davon ab, daß man überall hinweisen kann darauf, wo die Unterorganisation irgendeines Organes sitzt. Derjenige, der eine bis zur Geisteskrankheit getriebene Melancholie oder Hypochondrie wirklich erkennen will, soll nicht im Seelischen herumwaten, sondern der soll versuchen, aus der Unterleibsbeschaffenheit des betreffenden Menschen zu erkennen, wie da die Unterorganisation in der Unterleibsorganisation des Menschen wirkt, wie eine unter dem normalen Maß wirkende Organisationskraft gewissermaßen etwas herausfallen läßt, wie man in der Chemie sagt; man fällt etwas heraus aus irgendeiner Lösung und dergleichen, so daß ein Bodensatz entsteht, wie dadurch eine zu geringe Organisationskraft Physisch-Leibliches, das sonst von der Organisationskraft durchdrungen wäre, herausfällt, wie es im Organismus als Physisch-Leibliches dann vorhanden ist, wie es abgelagert wird, was in Leber, in Galle, im Magen, im Herzen, in der Lunge vorgeht. Vorgänge, die allerdings nicht so bequem zu untersuchen sind, wie man gern möchte in unserer heutigen, an das Grobe — denn das Histologische ist auch ein Grobes — sich wendenden Zeit. Psychologien sind nötig zu einer solchen Untersuchung, aber überall ist es nötig, daß die sogenannten Geisteskrankheiten zurückgeführt werden auf körperliche Zustände.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":356,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/314/1920-10-08/p013"}],"beads":[{"from":[27,28],"to":[13],"confidence":"high","pairing_state":"verified"}],"note":"Paired by the paragraph aligner; each language numbers its own paragraphs. A bead at either end of the span can carry text beyond it (the `from` numbers show what each bead covers).","uncovered":[29,30,31]}}