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Dieses starke Zurücktreten, dieses Schwachwerden der Ich-Organisation, das kann darauf beruhen, daß der Mensch gewissermaßen hineinschlüpft stark mit seinem gegenwärtigen Ich in die Iche der früheren Erdenleben; und es ist dadurch eine starke Affinität der Ich-Organisation überhaupt zur geistigen Welt vorhanden. Und merkwürdig bei Pockenkrankheit ist, daß da eine gewisse Ähnlichkeit vorliegt mit dem, was der Mensch durchmacht, wenn er gewisse Arten der Initiation durchmacht. So sonderbar das erscheint, es ist so.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":109,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/314/1924-04-22/p006"},{"locus":"GA 314/1924-04-22/p007","passage_number":7,"text":"Wenn der Mensch kennenlernt zum Beispiel, wirklich innerlich kennenlernt die Wirksamkeit der Tierkreisgestalten auf den Menschen, so sind solche Erkenntniszustände mit starken inneren Erschütterungen verknüpft. Da kann wenigstens der Mensch durchmachen, indem es mehr beherrscht, mehr seelisch wirkt, das, was bei der Pockenerkrankung vorliegt, weil es sich darum handelt, daß bei der Pockenerkrankung der Mensch sehr stark im Geistigen drin lebt, wenn auch auf andere Art.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":66,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/314/1924-04-22/p007"},{"locus":"GA 314/1924-04-22/p008","passage_number":8,"text":"Man kann sagen, daß die Ansteckungsgefahr doch eine außerordentlich starke ist bei der Pockenerkrankung. Nur sollte man nicht so leichtsinnig sein, just immer gleich an physische Vermittlung zu denken bei der Übertragung, sondern es sind sogar bei der Pockenerkrankung besonders stark vorliegend die psychischen Anlagen. Dafür könnte ein Beweis der sein, daß man sich sehr gut schützen kann, wenn man in der Lage ist, sich in rechter Art abzuschließen. Ich darf darüber deshalb sprechen, weil ich einmal als zweiundzwanzigjähriger Mensch — die Umstände brauche ich nicht zu erwähnen - einen Schüler unterrichtet habe, dessen Mutter mit schwarzen Pocken unmittelbar daneben lag, nur durch eine spanische Wand getrennt von der Stube, in der ich meinen Unterricht gab. Ich habe nichts dagegen gemacht, habe den Unterricht die ganze Zeit fortgesetzt, bis die Mutter wieder gesund geworden ist. Aber ich habe das ganz gern getan, namentlich auch, um zu sehen, wie man sich schützen kann, wenn man absolut den Pockenkranken, also auch den an schwarzen Pocken Erkrankten, nimmt ganz objektiv wie ein anderes Objekt, wie einen Stein oder einen Strauch, dem gegenüber man gar keine weiteren Furchtgefühle noch sonst psychische Regungen hat, sondern ihn nimmt als eine objektive Tatsache. Da ist in der Tat der Ansteckungsgefahr in hohem Maße zu begegnen. Daher kann schließlich der psychische Faktor auch bei der Ansteckung stark mitspielen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":220,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/314/1924-04-22/p008"},{"locus":"GA 314/1924-04-22/p009","passage_number":9,"text":"Ich habe mich überhaupt niemals davor gescheut, irgendwie mich selber einer Ansteckungsmöglichkeit auszusetzen, und bin eigentlich nie angesteckt worden, habe nie unter Ansteckung einer Krankheit gelitten. Ich konnte dadurch gerade feststellen, daß schon einfach das Bewußtsein, das starke Bewußtsein von dem Dasein einer Krankheit vom Astralleib aus Krankheitsursache sein kann. Das starke Bewußtsein einer Krankheit kann vom Astralleib aus Krankheitsursache sein.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":61,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/314/1924-04-22/p009"},{"locus":"GA 314/1924-04-22/p010","passage_number":10,"text":"Und die Pockenimpfung? Da ist man in einem eigentümlichen Fall. Sehen Sie, wenn man jemand impft, und man hat den Betreffenden als Anthroposophen und erzieht ihn anthroposophisch, so schadet es nichts. Es schadet nur denjenigen, die mit vorzugsweise materialistischen Gedanken heranwachsen. Da wird das Impfen zu einer Art ahrimanischer Kraft; der Mensch kann sich nicht mehr erheben aus einem gewissen materialistischen Fühlen. Und das ist doch eigentlich das Bedenkliche an der Pockenimpfung, daß die Menschen geradezu mit einem Phantom durchkleidet werden. Der Mensch hat ein Phantom, das ihn verhindert, die seelischen Entitäten so weit loszukriegen vom physischen Organismus wie im normalen Bewußtsein. Er wird konstitutionell materialistisch, er kann sich nicht mehr erheben zum Geistigen. Das ist das Bedenkliche bei der Impfung. Natürlich handelt es sich darum, daß da die Statistik immer ins Feld geführt wird. Es ist die Frage, ob eben gerade in diesen Dingen auf die Statistik so viel Wert gelegt werden muß. Bei der Pockenimpfung handelt es sich sehr stark um etwas Psychisches. Es ist durchaus nicht ausgeschlossen, daß da der Glaube, daß die Impfung hilft, eine unberechenbar große Rolle spielt. Wenn man diesen Glauben durch etwas anderes ersetzen würde, wenn man naturgemäß erziehen würde die Menschen, so daß sie beeindruckbar wären durch etwas anderes als dadurch, daß man sie impft, etwa dadurch, daß man die Menschen wiederum an den Geist näher heranbrächte, so wäre es durchaus möglich, daß man gegen das unbewußte Hereindringen: hier ist Pockenepidemie! - durch vollständiges Bewußtsein davon: hier ist ein Geistiges, wenn auch ein unberechtigtes Geistiges, gegen das ich mich aufrechthalten muß! ebenso gut wirken würde, wie man überhaupt den Menschen stark machen müßte gegen solche Einflüsse.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":274,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/314/1924-04-22/p010"}],"beads":[{"from":[6],"to":[6],"confidence":"high","pairing_state":"verified"},{"from":[7],"to":[7],"confidence":"high","pairing_state":"verified"},{"from":[8],"to":[8],"confidence":"high","pairing_state":"verified"},{"from":[9],"to":[9],"confidence":"high","pairing_state":"verified"},{"from":[10],"to":[10],"confidence":"high","pairing_state":"verified"}],"note":"Paired by the paragraph aligner; each language numbers its own paragraphs. 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