{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 314/1924-04-22/p045","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Viscum is the specific for carcinoma. There is nothing to be done about it. Of course, because basically every disease is treated differently, since every organism is in a certain condition, the remedies are sometimes supported by the addition of something else. It is possible that he has cured with mistletoe. He does not use it as an injection. In that case, it is possible that something else would be needed as an addition. But when Viscum is used as an injection, it is the specific remedy. You just have to pay attention to the differences in the individual case, whether you have the mistletoe from an oak tree, a cherry tree or another tree, such as an apple tree. The essential thing is that the use of mistletoe juice really depends on the fact that we actually have to enhance its effect. I don't know if you have seen that we are not seeking to use Viscum in such a simple way, but that we need an apparatus to do so. First we bring the mistletoe juices into a vertical movement, and then we let a horizontally rotating movement penetrate them. The aim is to make the mistletoe juice drip and to circulate it in drops, combining it again with mistletoe juice in horizontal circles, so that a special structure is created right down to the smallest circles. This is actually only the healing effect of the viscum, which arises. Of course, it is an effective remedy in itself; but the absolutely specific remedy only arises in this complicated way. The only thing that can be said is that when the disease occurs in a complicated way, quendel is used. Because the pure carcinoma, which is a self-contained disease, is not like influenza or flu, for example, where all sorts of things can be added. It is a self-contained disease that is treated with a self-contained remedy.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"First Discussion","site_heading":"Etheric Plant Forces and Spiritual Diagnosis in Therapy","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Nur werden selbstverständlich, weil ja im Grunde genommen jede Erkrankung etwas anderes dadurch wird, daß jeder Organismus in einer bestimmten Verfassung ist, die Heilmittel unter Umständen durch Zugabe von etwas anderem gefördert. Es ist möglich, daß er durch Mistel geheilt hat. Er verwendet sie nicht als Injektion. Da wäre es möglich, daß man etwas als Zugabe brauchte. Aber wenn man Viscum als Injektion verwendet, ist es das spezifische Heilmittel. Nur muß man im einzelnen die Unterschiede beachten ob man die Mistel von einem Eichbaum, einem Kirschbaum oder einem andern Baum, etwa einem Apfelbaum, hat. Das Wesentliche ist ja auch dieses, daß ja die Verwendung des Mistelsaftes wirklich davon abhängt, daß wir ihn noch eigentlich steigern müssen in seiner Wirkung. Ich weiß nicht, ob Sie gesehen haben, daß wir nicht etwa in einer so einfachen Weise nach der Verwendung von Viscum streben, sondern daß wir dazu einen Apparat brauchen. Erst bringen wir die Mistelsäfte in eine vertikale Bewegung, und diese lassen wir durchsetzen von einer horizontal rotierenden Bewegung. Es handelt sich darum, daß man erreicht, daß der Mistelsaft tropft und im Tropfen durchkreist wird, sich verbindet in Horizontalkreisen wieder mit Mistelsaft, so daß bis in die kleinsten Kreise hinein eine besondere Struktur hervorgerufen wird. Das ist eigentlich erst das Heilende des Viscums, was da entsteht. Gewiß, es ist schon an sich ein wirksames Heilmittel; aber das unbedingt spezifische Mittel entsteht erst auf diese komplizierte Art. Es kann sich nur darum handeln, daß wenn die Krankheit kompliziert auftritt, Quendel gebraucht wird. Denn das reine Karzinom, das eine abgeschlossene Erkrankung ist, ist nicht so wie zum Beispiel Influenza oder Grippe, wo alles mögliche hinzukommt. Es ist eine abgeschlossene Krankheit, die mit einem abgeschlossenen Heilmittel getroffen wird.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":299,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/314/1924-04-22/p045"}],"english":["GA 314/1924-04-22/p045"],"method":"identity","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":299,"en_words":318,"ratio":1.06,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","meaning","audit"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.05,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":5932,"original_word_count":5669,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2025","book_title":"Meetings with Practicing Physicians","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA314/English/SOL2025/19240422m01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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