{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 318/1924-09-10/p009","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"As a rule these three stages follow in succession. We can understand them clearly through our anthroposophical knowledge. After the preparatory condition I have described, the first stage consists of the ego organization drawing the astral body to itself, so that they are united without penetrating the physical and etheric bodies as deeply as they normally would. Something, therefore, is happening for such persons that can never happen in ordinary consciousness: in half-waking or quarter-waking or three-quarters waking condition they have conscious experience in their ego organization and astral body, while at the same time experience in their etheric and physical bodies continues with a certain independence. Thus parallel experiences are there: a spiritual experience in the ego organization and astral body, and at the same time a separate experience of the etheric and physical bodies. This is never the case in normal consciousness: there, all four members of the human being are bound closely together. In normal consciousness there is no such thing as experiences of consciousness running parallel. In this experience I am describing, such people feel themselves, know themselves in the most eminent sense to be entirely united with what they are experiencing. They know this first of all, the inherent being-one-with the happening. When the astral body is drawn to the ego organization and experiences spiritual beings, these people experience them as simply a presence, as something that is there. They experience this as one experiences one's own body. One does not differentiate in the latter experience. One does not feel one's body as something outside: one feels it as part of oneself. That is the first stage: the experience of “a presence.”","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture III","site_heading":"Spiritual Experience and Illness: The Paradox of Saint Teresa","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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So daß, was im gewöhnlichen Bewußtsein nie vorkommen kann, eigentlich bei solchen Personen in einem halbwachen oder viertelswachen oder dreiviertelswachen Zustande ein Erleben da ist, das für sich besteht, und in der Ich-Organisation und im Astralleib verläuft, während nebenhergeht in einer gewissen Selbständigkeit das Erleben des ätherischen und des physischen Leibes. Es gehen also parallel Erlebnisse: ein geistiges Erlebnis, das in der Ich-Organisation und im astralischen Leibe abläuft, und das nur begleitet wird vom Erleben des ätherischen Leibes und des physischen Leibes. Das ist im normalen Bewußtsein nie der Fall, weil im normalen Bewußtsein sehr intensiv alle vier Glieder der menschlichen Wesenheit verbunden sind, so daß es keine solche parallel ablaufenden Erlebnisse gibt. Da steht alles miteinander in Verbindung. In diesem Erleben ist im eminentesten Sinne die Art der Empfindung, die ganze Art des Erlebens so, daß der Mensch mit dem, was er erlebt, sich eins weiß. Er weiß zunächst als hauptsächlichstes Erlebnis das Einssein, denn der astralische Leib, wenn er an die Ich-Organisation herangezogen wird und geistige Entitäten erlebt, dann erlebt er sie als Anwesenheit, es ist da. Ungefähr so erlebt man es, wie man den eigenen Leib erlebt. Man differenziert nicht in der Wahrnehmung, man erlebt ihn nicht als etwas Außenstehendes, man erlebt sich eins, das ist das erste. 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