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It goes as far as the etheric body, and the etheric body creates the conscious experience. That is how it is, for example, with the eyes. When you see, the external stimulation occurs first in the ego; then it penetrates the astral body and penetrates the etheric body. It is then the etheric body that communicates the whole conscious experience to you by pushing in every direction, in a certain sense, against the physical organization. The conscious experience lies in this pushing. That is the exact process. If presented in a diagram, it would look like the drawing below.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture III","site_heading":"Spiritual Experience and Illness: The Paradox of Saint Teresa","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Wenn wir mit den Augen schauen im gewöhnlichen Leben, ist der Vorgang so, daß wir von außen, vom Licht gereizt werden, daß wir den Reiz weiter aufnehmen nach innen. Er geht dann bis zum ätherischen Leib, der Reiz, und vom ätherischen Leib aus schafft er das Bewußtseinserlebnis. So ist es zum Beispiel beim Auge auch. Wenn Sie sehen, wird der erste Reiz ausgeübt, der äußere Reiz, der zunächst im Ich erregt wird, in den astralischen Leib eindringt, bis zum Ätherleib dringt, und der Ätherleib ist es dann, der das ganze Bewußtseinserlebnis dem Menschen mitteilt, indem er gewissermaßen nach allen Seiten stößt an die physische Organisation. In diesem Stoßen liegt das Bewußtseinserlebnis. Das ist der genaue Vorgang. 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