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In establishing a correlation between our inner life and the external physical world of the senses we can use the concepts we form in interaction with nature in such a way that we try not to remain within the natural phenomena but to think on beyond them. We are doing this if we do more than simply say: within the spectrum there appears the color yellow next to the color green, and on the other side the blues. We are doing this if we do not simply interrelate the phenomena with the help of our concepts but seek instead, as it were, to pierce the veil of the senses and construct something more behind it with the aid of our concepts. We are doing this if we say: out of the clear concepts I have achieved I shall construct atoms, molecules—all the movements of matter that are supposed to ex-ist behind natural phenomena. Thereby something extraordinary happens. 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Sein Bewußtsein erwacht zu klaren Begriffen, aber es verliert sich selbst, es verliert sich so selbst, daß der Mensch nur inhaltlich leere Begriffe, wie den Begriff der Materie hinpfahlen kann, Begriffe, vor denen er dann so steht, daß sie ihm zum Rätsel werden. Aber wir kommen eben nicht anders, als indem wir uns so selbst verlieren, zu solchen klaren Begriffen, die wir brauchen zur Entwickelung unseres vollen Menschentums. Wir müssen uns eben in einer gewissen Weise zunächst verlieren, damit wir uns wieder finden können durch uns selbst. Aber heute ist die Zeit gekommen, wo man an diesen Phänomenen etwas lernen soll. Und was kann man an diesen Phänomenen lernen? Man kann dasjenige lernen, daß zwar die ganze Klarheit der Begriffe, die ganze Durchsichtigkeit des Vorstellungslebens an dem Verkehr mit der äußeren sinnlich-natürlichen Welt für den Menschen gewonnen werden kann, daß aber in dem Augenblicke diese Klarheit der Begriffe unbrauchbar wird, wenn wir mehr erhalten wollen in der Naturwissenschaft als einen bloßen Phänomenalismus, nämlich jenen Phänomenalismus, den Goethe als Naturforscher pflegen wollte, wenn wir mehr wollen als Naturwissenschaft, nämlich den Goetheanismus.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":206,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/322/1920-09-28/p013"},{"locus":"GA 322/1920-09-28/p014","passage_number":14,"text":"Was heißt das? Nun, wenn wir an den Wechselverkehr zwischen unserem Inneren und der Außenwelt, der sinnlich-physischen Außenwelt herankommen, dann können wir unsere Begriffe, die wir uns heranbilden an der Natur, noch gebrauchen, um nicht in der erscheinenden Natur stehenzubleiben, sondern noch hinter diese erscheinende Natur dahinter zu denken. Das tun wir, wenn wir nicht bloß sagen, im Spektrum erscheint neben der gelben Farbe die grüne Farbe und auf der andern Seite beginnt das Bläuliche, wenn wir nicht bloß die Phänomene, die Erscheinungen aneinandergliedern mit Hilfe des Mittels unserer Begriffe, sondern wenn wir diesen Sinnesteppich gleichsam mit unseren Begriffen durchstechen wollen und hinter ihm durch unsere Begriffe noch etwas konstruieren wollen. Das tun wir, wenn wir sagen: Ich bilde mir aus den klar gewonnenen Begriffen heraus Atome, Moleküle, dasjenige, was hinter den Erscheinungen der Natur sein soll, Bewegungen innerhalb der Materie. Da geschieht nämlich etwas Merkwürdiges. 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Meine Erkenntnis kommt bis an die Sinneswelt heran, und ich bin träge, ich habe ein gewisses Beharrungsvermögen, ich rolle mit meinen Begriffen hinter die Sinneswelt noch hinunter und konstruiere mir da eine Welt, an der ich dann wiederum zweifle, wenn ich merke, daß ich nur meiner Trägheit gefolgt bin mit meinem ganzen Denken.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":284,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/322/1920-09-28/p014"},{"locus":"GA 322/1920-09-28/p015","passage_number":15,"text":"![322-T01](images/322-T01.webp)","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":0,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/322/1920-09-28/p015"},{"locus":"GA 322/1920-09-28/p016","passage_number":16,"text":"Es ist interessant, daß ein großer Teil der Philosophie, die sich ja nicht im Sinnlichen bewegt, im Grunde genommen auch nichts anderes ist als ein solches Fortrollen in der Trägheit hinter dasjenige, was eigentlich in der Welt wirklich vorliegt. Man kann nicht stillestehen. Man will noch hinten weiter, weiter, weiter denken und konstruiert Atome und Moleküle, konstruiert unter Umständen auch manches andere, was die Philosophen dahinter konstruiert haben. Kein Wunder, daß man dieses Selbstgespinst, das man aus Beharrungsvermögen in der Welt aufgerichtet hat, dann wiederum auflösen muß.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":87,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/322/1920-09-28/p016"},{"locus":"GA 322/1920-09-28/p017","passage_number":17,"text":"Gegen dieses Trägheitsgesetz lehnte sich Goethe auf. Er wollte ein solches Fortrollen des Denkens nicht, er wollte stehenbleiben, streng stehenbleiben an dieser Grenze (siehe Zeichnung: dicker Strich), und er wollte innerhalb der Sinneswelt die Begriffe anwenden. So daß er sich sagte: Im Spektrum erscheint mir Gelb, im Spektrum erscheint mir Blau, Rot, Indigo, Violett. Wenn ich aber diese verschiedenen Farbenerscheinungen mit meiner Begriffswelt durchdringe und innerhalb der Phänomene bleibe, so stellen sich mir die Phänomene, die Erscheinungen selbst zusammen, und ich bekomme aus der Tatsache des Spektrums heraus: Wenn sich dunklere Farben oder überhaupt Dunkelheit hinter hellere Farben oder überhaupt hinter die Helligkeit stellen, so bekomme ich dasjenige, was gegen das Blau des Spektrums zu liegt. Umgekehrt: Wenn ich das Helle hinter das Dunkle stelle, bekomme ich, was gegen das Rot des Spektrums zu liegt.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":135,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/322/1920-09-28/p017"},{"locus":"GA 322/1920-09-28/p018","passage_number":18,"text":"Was wollte Goethe eigentlich? Goethe wollte aus den komplizierten Phänomenen einfache heraussuchen, aber durchaus solche, mit denen er innerhalb dieser Grenze (siehe Zeichnung) stehenblieb, durch die er nicht hineinrollte in ein Gebiet, in das man nur durch träges Fortrollen, durch ein gewisses geistiges Beharrungsvermögen hineinkommt. So wollte Goethe innerhalb des Phänomenalismus stehenbleiben. Wenn man so innerhalb des Phänomenalismus stehenbleibt, und wenn man sein ganzes Denken daraufhin einrichtet, so stehenzubleiben, nicht dem Beharrungsvermögen, das ich charakterisiert habe, zu folgen, dann tritt in einer neuen Weise die alte Frage auf: Welche Bedeutung hat nun in dieser Welt, die ich so phänomenal betrachte, dasjenige, was ich aus Mechanik und Mathematik hineinbringe, was ich hineinbringe an Zahl, an Maß, an Gewicht oder an Zeitverhältnissen? Was hat denn das für eine Bedeutung?","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":127,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/322/1920-09-28/p018"}],"beads":[{"from":[14],"to":[13],"confidence":"high"},{"from":[15],"to":[14],"confidence":"high"},{"from":[16],"to":[15],"confidence":"high"},{"from":[17],"to":[16],"confidence":"high"},{"from":[18],"to":[17],"confidence":"high"},{"from":[19],"to":[18],"confidence":"high"}],"note":"Paired by the paragraph aligner; each language numbers its own paragraphs. A bead at either end of the span can carry text beyond it (the `from` numbers show what each bead covers)."}}