{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 322/1920-09-28/p022","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Such thinkers forget but one thing: they forget—and it is just this that we want to indicate in the course of these lectures with all the forceful proofs we can muster—that the natural order governing the construction of our head also governs the construction of the regular polyhedrons, and it is for just this reason that our head constructs no other polyhedrons than those that actually confront us in the external world. For that, you see, is one of the basic differences between the so-called subjective qualities of tone, color, warmth, as well as the different qualities of touch, and that which confronts us in the mechanical-mathematical view of the world. That is the basic difference: tone and color leave us outside of ourselves; we must first take them in; we must first perceive them. As human beings we stand outside tone, color, warmth, etc. This is not entirely the case as regards warmth—I shall discuss that tomorrow—but to a certain extent this is true even of warmth. These qualities leave us initially outside ourselves, and we must perceive them. In formal, spatial, and temporal relationships and regarding weight this is not the case. We perceive objects in space but stand ourselves within the same space and the same lawfulness as the objects external to us. We stand within time just as do the external objects. Our physical existence begins and ends at a definite point in time. We stand within space and time in such a way that these things permeate us without our first perceiving them. The other things we must first perceive. Regarding weight, well, ladies and gentlemen, you will readily admit that this has little to do with perception, which is somewhat open to arbitrariness: otherwise many people who attain an undesired corpulence would be able to avoid this by perception alone, merely by having the faculty of perception. No, ladies and gentlemen, regarding weight we are bound up with the world entirely objectively, and the organization by means of which we stand within color, tone, warmth, etc. is powerless against that objectivity.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture II","site_heading":"Hegel, Marx, and the Limits of Conceptual Thinking","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Das ist der Grundunterschied: Ton, Farbe, sie lassen uns selbst außer uns; wir müssen sie erst aufnehmen, wir müssen sie erst wahrnehmen. Wir stehen als Menschen außer Ton, Farbe, Wärme und so weiter. Mit der Wärme ist es nicht ganz so, das werde ich morgen zu besprechen haben, aber in einem gewissen Grade ist es auch mit der Wärme so. Sie lassen uns zunächst außer uns, und wir müssen sie wahrnehmen. Das ist bei Gestalt-, bei Raumverhältnissen, bei Zeitverhältnissen, bei Gewichtsverhältnissen nicht der Fall. Wir nehmen die Dinge räumlich wahr, aber wir sind selbst in demselben Raume und in die gleiche Gesetzmäßigkeit hineingestellt, in der die Dinge außer uns stehen. Wir stehen in der Zeit drinnen wie die äußeren Dinge. Wir beginnen unser physisches Leben in einem gewissen Zeitpunkte, enden es in einem Zeitpunkte. In Raum und Zeit stehen wir so drinnen, daß diese Dinge gleichsam durch uns hindurchgehen, ohne daß wir sie erst wahrnehmen. Die andern Dinge müssen wir erst wahrnehmen. Bezüglich des Gewichtes, nun ja, meine sehr verehrten Anwesenden, da werden Sie auch zugeben, daß das mit der Wahrnehmung, die ja ein wenig der Willkür unterliegt, nicht viel zu tun hat, denn sonst würde mancher, der durch seine Beleibtheit zu einem ihm unerwünschten Gewichte kommt, dieses vermeiden durch die bloße Erkenntnis, durch das bloße Wahrnehmungsvermögen. Meine sehr verehrten Anwesenden, auch in unseren Gewichtsverhältnissen werden wir schon ganz objektiv von der Welt aufgenommen, ohne daß wir durch dieselbe Organisation etwas dagegen machen können, durch die wir uns verbinden mit Farbe, Ton, Wärme und so weiter.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":360,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/322/1920-09-28/p021"}],"english":["GA 322/1920-09-28/p022"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":360,"en_words":347,"ratio":0.96,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":0.99,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":3924,"original_word_count":3967,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Frederick Amrine and Konrad Oberhuber","identified_edition":"AP1983","book_title":"The Boundaries of Natural Science","publisher":"Anthroposophic Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA322/English/AP1983/19200928p01.html","evidence":"lecture_list_row","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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