{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 326/1922-12-27/p012","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"It is indeed true that all thinking about these concepts is of no avail. One feels this. Therefore, Newton is only beginning to juggle mathematically when he uses these concepts to explain the world. He is juggling with ideas. This is not meant in a derogatory way; I only want to describe Newton's abilities in a telling manner. One of the concepts thus utilized by Newton is that of space. He manipulates the idea of space as perceived by the man in the street. Still, a vestige of living experience is contained therein. If, on the other hand, one pictures space in terms of Cartesian mathematics, without harboring any illusions, it makes one's brain reel. There is something undefinable about this space, with its arbitrary center of coordinates. One can, for example, speculate brilliantly (and fruitlessly) about whether Descartes’ space if finite or infinite. Ordinary awareness of space that is still connected with the human element really is not at all concerned with finiteness or infinity. It is after all quite without interest to a living world conception whether space can be pictured as finite or infinite. Therefore one can say that Newton takes the trivial idea of space just as he finds it, but then he begins to mathematize. But, due to the particular quality of thinking in his age, he already has the abstracted mathematics and geometry, and therefore he penetrates spatial phenomena and processes of nature with abstract mathematics. Thereby he sunders the natural phenomena from man. In fact, in Newton's physics we meet for the first time ideas of nature that have been completely divorced from man. Nowhere in earlier times were conceptions of nature so torn away from man as they are in Newtonian physics.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"Lecture IV","site_heading":"Mathematics Severed from Human Experience: The Birth of Modern Science","site_heading_note":"A heading the site wrote for this unit from a summary of it; not in the edition, and not the words of Rudolf Steiner or of the translator. 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Denn, den Raum der Cartesiusschen Mathematik sich vorzustellen, das bringt einen nämlich, wenn man sich nicht selber Illusionen vormacht, mit dem Denken in eine Art von Wirbel hinein, in eine Art von Drehkrankheit, denn dieser Raum, der beliebig irgendwo seinen Mittelpunkt hat, seinen Koordinaten-Anfangspunkt, dieser Raum, der hat etwas so Unbestimmtes. Man kann zum Beispiel in der geistreichsten Weise, ohne daß dabei irgend etwas herauskommt, darüber spekulieren, ob dieser Raum endlich oder unendlich ist, während das gewöhnliche Raumempfinden, das noch mit dem Menschlichen zusammenhängt, sich eigentlich nun wirklich um die Endlichkeit oder Unendlichkeit nicht kümmert. Es kümmert sich nicht darum. Es ist Ja auch höchst uninteressant für eine lebensvolle Weltauffassung, ob der Raum nun endlich oder unendlich vorgestellt werden kann. So daß man also sagen kann: Newton nimmt den trivialen Raum, wie er ihn findet. Aber nun fängt er an zu mathematisieren. Er hat aber schon wegen der besonderen Eigentümlichkeit des Denkens in seinem Zeitalter die abgesonderte Mathematik, auch die abgesonderte Geometrie, und indem er die räumlichen Naturerscheinungen und Naturvorgänge mit der Mathematik durchdringt, durchdringt er sie mit einer abgesonderten Mathematik. Dadurch reißt er die Naturerscheinungen selber ganz von dem Menschen los. Und wir treffen in der Tat in dieser Newtonschen Physik zum ersten Mal eigentlich vollständig vom Menschen losgerissene Naturvorstellungen. Wir brauchen nur in frühere Zeiten zurückzugehen, so werden wir finden, daß nirgends die Vorstellungen über die Natur so vom Menschen losgerissen sind, wie sie in der Newtonschen Physik losgerissen sind.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":350,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/326/1922-12-27/p011"}],"english":["GA 326/1922-12-27/p012"],"method":"length","confidence":"medium","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":350,"en_words":290,"ratio":0.83,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.05,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":6036,"original_word_count":5743,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Maria St. Goar","identified_edition":"AP1985","book_title":"The Origins of Natural Science","publisher":"Anthroposophic Press","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA326/English/AP1985/19221227p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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