{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 330/1919-04-28/p030","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"There is a lot to be said about the individual points of the debate, but given the late hour, it would be too much. However, I would like to defend myself against some of it, picking up on the last words, which actually showed great goodwill towards me. I would just like to recommend to you: Read page 140 of my writing 'The Key Points of the Social Question in the Necessities of Present and Future Life': 'The individual institutions of life presented will have shown that the underlying way of thinking is not, as some might think — and as was actually believed when I presented what I had written here and there orally — about a renewal of the three estates, the estates of nourishment, defense and teaching. The opposite of this division of the estates is aimed at.” The previous speaker said that the idea of threefold social order can also be found in Plato. No, what I presented to you today is the opposite of the division of the estates. It is not that human beings are newly structured in the state, not that the old estates are re-established, not that the Platonic idea is realized, but that what is independent of man, the social organism, is structured in three, and man attains his full, unified human dignity by not being divided into classes. It is by becoming a threefold social organism that class differences are overcome. There is a gulf between us and Plato. We must also rethink Plato. I must make this point, even in the face of such kind words. It is very important that we do not try to equate today's events with some old idea of Plato's.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"IV. 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Da möchte ich Ihnen nur empfehlen: Lesen Sie auf Seite 140 meiner Schrift «Die Kernpunkte der sozialen Frage in den Lebensnotwendigkeiten der Gegenwart und Zukunft»: «Die dargestellten einzelnen Lebenseinrichtungen werden gezeigt haben, daß es der zugrunde liegenden Denkungsart sich nicht, wie mancher meinen könnte — und wie tatsächlich geglaubt wurde, als ich hier und dort das Dargestellte mündlich vorgetragen habe -, um eine Erneuerung der drei Stände, Nähr-, Wehr- und Lehrstand, handelt. Das Gegenteil dieser Ständegliederung wird angestrebt.» Der Herr Vorredner sprach davon, daß man die Idee der Dreigliederung auch bei Plato findet. Nein, was ich Ihnen heute vorgetragen habe, ist das Gegenteil der Ständegliederung. Nicht die Menschen werden im Staate neu gegliedert, nicht die alten Stände werden aufgerichtet, nicht der platonische Gedanke wird verwirklicht, sondern das, was unabhängig vom Menschen ist, der soziale Organismus, er wird dreifach gegliedert, und der Mensch kommt dadurch zu seiner vollen einheitlichen Menschenwürde, daß er nicht in Klassen aufgeteilt wird. Dadurch, daß der soziale Organismus ein dreigliedriger wird, werden die Klassenunterschiede überwunden. Zwischen uns und Plato liegt eine Kluft. Wir müssen auch Plato gegenüber umdenken. Das muß ich auch wohlwollenden Worten gegenüber ausdrücklich bemerken. 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