{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 330/1919-05-13/p020","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"But what is now the market will also take on a different form. Today, the market, although it is already organized in many small ways, still has something anarchic about it. The market regulates the mutual values of goods, and that is the only value that should exist in economic life in the future, because human labor has a value that cannot be compared to anything else and must not be counted among economic values. What economic values there are will be the comparative values of the goods. Under the circumstances described, it will be possible for the goods to acquire such comparative values that give the greatest possible number of people, that is, all people who work, a standard of living that is as close as possible to the general, not to a group prosperity. This can only be achieved if the market ceases to be what it is today, if it is thoroughly organized, if the most comprehensive economic experience, the calculation of the various economic fundamentals, leads to a determination of commodity values that are not subject to the anarchic conditions of supply and demand, but are oriented towards human needs, as determined by experience. This can only be achieved if this economic life, if the market, or rather the markets, are transformed into associations, into cooperatives and so on. This cooperative structure, this structure not only on the basis of such cooperatives as have already been tried, but the interweaving of the entire economic life with a cooperative structure, will only be possible if, on the basis of experience in economic life, an intuitive knowledge of the relationships between producers and consumers is acquired. There are also some signs of progress in this respect. You can familiarize yourself with these in the writings of Sidney Webb, for example, where great things have been achieved in cooperatives, insofar as great things can be achieved within the current economic system, which still exists outside these cooperatives. But if the economic system is changed in the way I have suggested, then the point is that the cooperative structure must be brought about not according to subjective demands, but according to what the economic structure itself yields. I would just like to make a certain remark so that you can see that things are not left hanging in the air. It will be obvious to anyone who takes into account the nature of economic life as described in my book 'The Core of the Social Question' that the question arises: how, for example, can we limit cooperatives? If we want to limit them arbitrarily or for reasons outside of economic life, then we will always end up with false pricing and, as a result, false influences on people's lives. Now there is a very definite law that can lead to the development of a cooperative structure out of reality. You can start by considering the two currents of economic life, production and consumption. You can imagine consumer cooperatives where people join together who want to buy economically so that they take advantage of everything that can be exploited for buying by joining together as consumers.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"VI. 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Unter den geschilderten Verhältnissen wird möglich sein, daß die Waren solche vergleichsweisen Werte bekommen, welche den Menschen in weitestem Umfange, das heißt allen Menschen, die arbeiten, eine möglichst dem allgemeinen, nicht einem Gruppenwohlstand angemessene Lebenslage geben. Das kann nur dann sein, wenn der Markt aufhört das zu sein, was er heute ist, wenn er durch und durch organisiert wird, wenn aus den umfassendsten wirtschaftlichen Erfahrungen heraus, aus dem Berechnen desjenigen, was die verschiedenen wirtschaftlichen Unterlagen sind, sich ergibt eine Feststellung von Warenwerten, die nicht den anarchischen Verhältnissen von Angebot und Nachfrage unterliegen, sondern die hinorientiert sind auf den durch Erfahrung wohl festgestellten menschlichen Bedarf. Das wird nur erreicht werden können, wenn dieses Wirtschaftsleben, wenn der Markt, oder besser gesagt, die Märkte, verwandelt werden in Assoziationen, in Genossenschaften und so weiter. Dieser genossenschaftliche Aufbau, dieser Aufbau nicht nur etwa auf solchen Genossenschaften, wie sie schon versucht worden sind, sondern die Durchziehung des ganzen Wirtschaftslebens mit genossenschaftlicher Struktur, wird nur dann möglich sein, wenn man aus den Erfahrungen des Wirtschaftslebens heraus sich aneignen wird eine intuitive Erkenntnis der Beziehungen zwischen Produzenten und Konsumenten. In dieser Beziehung gibt es auch Ansätze. Sie können sie kennenlernen in den Bestrebungen zum Beispiel von Sidney Webb, wo in Genossenschaften Großartiges geleistet ist, soweit sich Großartiges leisten läßt innerhalb der gegenwärtigen Wirtschaftsordnung, die noch außer diesen Genossenschaften besteht. Wird aber die Wirtschaftsordnung überhaupt in der angedeuteten Art umgeändert, dann handelt es sich darum, daß man nicht nach subjektiven Forderungen, sondern nach dem, was die wirtschaftliche Struktur selber ergibt, den genossenschaftlichen Aufbau bewirken muß. Da möchte ich nur, damit Sie sehen, daß die Dinge nicht in der Luft hängen, eine bestimmte Bemerkung machen. Es wird sich selbstverständlich für den, der auf den in meinem Buche «Die Kernpunkte der sozialen Frage» beschriebenen Assoziationscharakter des Wirtschaftslebens Rücksicht nimmt, die Frage aufwerfen: Wie können wir zum Beispiel Genossenschaften begrenzen? - Wenn man sie willkürlich oder aus irgendwelchen außerhalb des Wirtschaftslebens liegenden Rücksichten wird begrenzen wollen, dann werden sich immer falsche Preisbildungen und im Gefolge davon falsche Beeinflussungen der menschlichen Lebenslage ergeben. Nun gibt es ein ganz bestimmtes Gesetz, welches aus der Wirklichkeit heraus zum Aufbau einer genossenschaftlichen Struktur führen kann. Sie können sich zunächst, wenn Sie die beiden Strömungen des Wirtschaftslebens, die Produktion und die Konsumtion, ins Auge fassen, Konsumgenossenschaften vorstellen, wo diejenigen Menschen sich zusammenschließen, welche in ökonomischer Weise kaufen wollen, so daß sie alles das ausnützen, was für das Kaufen auszunützen ist dadurch, daß sich Konsumenten zusammenschließen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":493,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/330/1919-05-13/p020"}],"english":["GA 330/1919-05-13/p020"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":493,"en_words":525,"ratio":1.06,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.05,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":10155,"original_word_count":9700,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"The Reorganization of the Social Organism","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA330/English/SOL2024/19190513p02.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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