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It is for instance possible for modern humanity, to take the Deussen translation, which has exterminated all real meaning of the Orient, and, while thinking these translations are great, while mankind can't eradicate all understanding for what Deussen translated, devote yourself to such a Deussen translation. In order to understand, you need to penetrate the meaning of the first Christian centuries, more specifically the centuries before the Mystery of Golgotha happened.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"XIV. 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Alles das muß eigentlich anders gelesen werden, wenn man zu einem wirklichen Seeleninhalte der alten Zeiten kommen will. Es ist ja zum Beispiel der modernen Menschheit möglich, gerade die allen wirklichen Sinn des Orients austilgenden Deussenschen Übersetzungen für etwas Großes zu halten, während man nicht besser alles Verständnis für dasjenige, was Deussen übersetzt hat, austilgen kann, als wenn man sich einer solchen Deussenschen Übersetzung hingibt. 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