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If you consider these things abstractly, as is in our intellectual time presented to many people, well, then it is heard that people in olden times didn't speak about the Logos in which Jesus became flesh, but of the Nous, which became the flesh of Jesus. That's the thing then, if you have pegged such a term. For a person who spiritually lives within a lively experience of concepts, he would not be able to do otherwise, than to grasp such a soul's content, as to imagine sculpturally what the Nous becoming flesh is. The Nous having become flesh however, can't speak; this can't be the Christ, can't go through death and resurrection. The Christ of the Gnostic, which is actually the Nous, could only come as far as being embodied in people; it could not die or accomplish resurrection.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"XIV. 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Wenn man die Dinge so abstrakt hinstellt, wie sie heute im intellektualistischen Zeitalter vielfach vor die Leute hingestellt werden, nun ja, dann hört man, die Menschen der älteren Zeiten hätten nicht von dem Logos gesprochen, der in Jesus Fleisch geworden ist, sondern von dem Nous, der in Jesus Fleisch geworden ist. Damit ist die Sache dann aus, wenn man einen solchen Begriff hingepfahlt hat. Derjenige aber, der im lebendigen Erleben des Begrifflichen geistig drinnensteht, der kann nicht anders, indem er einen solchen Seeleninhalt faßt, als sich plastisch gestaltet das vorzustellen, was fleischgewordener Nous ist. Fleischgewordener Nous aber kann nicht sprechen, das kann nicht der Christus sein, kann nicht durch Tod und durch Auferstehung gehen. Der Christus der Gnostiker, der eigentlich der Nous ist, konnte nur so weit kommen, daß er sich im Menschen verkörperte, er konnte aber nicht bis zum Sterben und zur Auferstehung kommen. Dadurch verdunkelt sich für Basilides zum Beispiel die Anschauung. Ihm trübt sich der Blick in dem Moment, wo er sich mit seinem inneren Schauen den letzten Akten des Mysteriums von Golgatha nähert; ihm trübt sich der Blick, wenn es zum Sterben und zur Auferstehung kommt. Der Blick wurde hingeworfen auf den Kreuz-Gang, auf den Golgatha-Gang des Christus Jesus, aber er konnte aus einer lebendigen Vorstellung das nicht vollenden, daß der Christus das Kreuz bis Golgatha getragen hat, daß er ans Kreuz geschlagen worden ist und auferstanden ist. Ihm stellt sich in den Blick hinein, daß Simon von Kyrene [dem Christus] das Kreuz abgenommen hat, daß er es bis Golgatha hinaufgetragen hat, und daß anstelle des Christus Simon von Kyrene gekreuzigt worden ist. 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