{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 343/gnostics_and_montanists/p020","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"During ancient times, long before the Mystery of Golgotha, what I've just said was something obvious; had a self-evident answer. For those who lived in the time epoch of the Mystery of Golgotha, such an obvious answer didn't exist. People first had to dive into physicality. Because a fear existed of bringing intellectualism into this physicality, one entered the corporality with the power of the imagination and we get to know the descriptions of the forming of Montanist visions, which have also disappeared. In descriptions of Montanist visions—and this is characteristic—we always find the repetitive idea of the Christ soon returning in a physical body to the earth. One can't think of Montanism without thinking of the imminent return of the Christ to earthly corporeality. While the Montanist was familiar with the idea of finding the returning Christ, he strongly set before his soul what happened at the cross, what was accomplished through the death on the cross, what is involved in dying, what is involved in resurrection. The re-descent of the Christ, the physical-bodily immersion that takes place, was tinged by materialistic feelings in this view of the Montanists; they lived in the idea that Christ would come again and live in time and space. This was pronounced and those who believed this in the schools were only those who responded to the belief of the imminent coming of Christ Jesus to the earth, where he would stride along as if he is in a physical body.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"XIV. Gnostics and Montanists","site_heading":null,"date":"1921-10-03","location":null,"word_count":248,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/343/gnostics_and_montanists/p020","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Hanna von Maltitz","identified_edition":"SOL2018","book_title":"The Foundation Course","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA343/English/SOL2018/Lecture_14_4616a.html","evidence":"lecture_list_row","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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In diesen Beschreibungen der Visionen der Montanisten finden wir — und das ist für sie charakteristisch —, wir finden immer wiederum die Vorstellung von dem baldig im physischen Erdenleibe wiederkommenden Christus. Der Montanismus ist nicht zu denken ohne die prophetische Empfindung des bald im Erdenleibe wiederkommenden Christus. Weil der Montanist seine Vorstellungen gewöhnt hat an das, was er im kommenden Christus findet, stellt sich vor seine Seele nun stark dasjenige hin, was am Kreuze geschieht und dasjenige, was sich nach dem Kreuzestode erfüllt, was ins Sterben hineingeht, was zur Auferstehung hingeht. Das Wiederherunterkommen des Christus, das Wiederuntertauchen in das leiblichphysische Leben, das nimmt in der Anschauung [der Montanisten] durchaus von materialistischen Empfindungen tingierte Formen an; in dem zeitlich und räumlich erfüllten Sein des wiederkommenden Christus lebt man. 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