{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 343/gnostics_and_montanists/p025","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Where do you arrive if you succumb to all thought being human and having nothing to do with the spirit? No, this is not the way the writer of John's Gospel experienced it. It was not the Nous which was at the primordial beginnings, not the Nous with God and a veil covering everything which is related to the Christian Mystery, but: In the primordial beginnings was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and a God was the Logos and the Logos became flesh and lived among us.—So the first actions are connected to the final actions: a unity comes about when we understand it with the spirit. We wish for something which doesn't lift us above human heights, to where we must find the Nous, because that is only one perspective of the spiritual.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"XIV. 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Er schaut auf der einen Seite hin auf die Gnosis, die er seinerseits als eine Verirrung ansieht, weil sie sagt: Im Urbeginne war der Nous und der Nous war bei Gott, ein Gott war der Nous, und der Nous ist Fleisch geworden und hat unter uns gewohnt; und Simon von Kyrene hat dem Christus das Kreuz abgenommen und hat in einem Menschenbilde dasjenige vollzogen, was dann [auf Golgatha] erfolgte, nachdem der Christus nur bis zur Kreuztragung gegangen und dann von dem Irdischen hinwegverschwunden ist. - Vor dem Blick des Gnostikers verschwindet ja der Christus allerdings in dem Augenblicke, als er Simon von Kyrene das Kreuz übergibt. Das war eine Abirrung. Wohin kommt man, wenn man darauf sich einläßt, alles Gedankliche unter den Menschen zu lassen und nicht mehr haben zu wollen das Geistige? Nein, so empfindet der Schreiber des Johannes-Evangeliums, so ist es nicht. Nicht war im Urbeginne der Nous, nicht war der Nous bei Gott und ein Schleier liegt über all dem, was mit dem Christus-Mysterium zusammenhängt, sondern: Im Urbeginne war der Logos, und der Logos war bei Gott, und ein Gott war der Logos und der Logos ist Fleisch geworden und hat unter uns gewohnet. — So verbindet sich dasjenige, was die ersten Akte des ganzen GolgathaDramas sind, mit den letzten Akten: eine Einheit wird daraus, wenn wir es erfassen im Geiste. Wir wollen etwas, das uns nicht in übermenschliche Höhen hinausführt, wohin uns der Nous führen muß, weil der nur die eine Perspektive des Geistigen ist. Soviel Geistiges, daß dieses Geistige hinreicht, um den Menschen Jesus und den Gott Christus in einer Gestalt zu begreifen, soviel Geistiges liegt in dem Logos. 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