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By allowing the powers of Romanism to be preserved by the peoples who lived in this Romanism—the Roman written language, the Latin language had long been active—by our preservation of Roman Law, in our conservation of the outer forms of the Roman State, by our even uprooting the northern regions which contained the most elementary Germanic feelings experienced out of quite a different social community, in the Roman State outstripping all that is from the north, we live right up to our present days in a Roman world of decay because in Christendom, as it was considered in the vicinity of Christ Jesus himself, no other site could be found. This is because the Christianity of Constantine, which found such a meaningful symbol in the crowning of Constantine the Great in Rome, was a Christianity which expressed itself in outer worldliness, in Roman legalities. Augustinus already experienced, as I characterised yesterday and today, the feeling in his soul: Oh, what will it be then, if that gets a grip on the world, that which streams out of godless intellectualism, out of godless Romanism into the world? The principle of civil government will become something terrible; the Civitas of people will be opposed by the Civitas Dei, the God State.—So we notice the rise—earlier the indications had already been there, my dear friends—we see an interest emerging that was just seized in the following times in its fullest power in religious fields, that a light is cast on all later religious battles in the soul, which has just felt these religious battles most deeply.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"XIV. 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Indem wir die Kräfte des Römertums fortkonserviert haben, indem in die Völker sich eingelebt hat der Romanismus — die römische Schriftsprache, die lateinische Sprache hat ja lange gewirkt —, indem wir konserviert haben das römische Gesetz, indem wir konserviert haben die äußeren Formen des römischen Staatstums, indem sogar in den nördlichen Gegenden ausgetilgt worden ist, was aus elementarem germanischen Fühlen als ganz andere soziale Gemeinschaft empfunden wurde, indem das römische Staatstum alles Nördliche überflügelt hat, lebt bis in unsere Tage hinein das Römertum als die untergehende Welt, in der das Christentum, so wie es gedacht war in der Umgebung des Christus Jesus selber, nicht mehr eine Stätte gefunden hat. Denn das konstantinische Christentum, das dann in der Krönung Konstantins des Großen in Rom ein so bedeutsames Symbolum gefunden hat, dieses Christentum ist dasjenige, das sich eingelebt hat in die äußere Weltlichkeit, in die römische Gesetzmäßigkeit. Schon bei Augustinus, indem er so empfand, wie ich es gestern und heute charakterisiert habe, entstand die Seelenempfindung: ©, was wird es dann sein, wenn nun dasjenige die ganze Welt ergreift, was aus dem entgöttlichten Intellektualismus, aus dem entgöttlichten Römertum, in die Welt hineinströmt? Die Civitas wird eine furchtbare werden; dieser Civitas der Menschen muß entgegengestellt werden die Civitas Dei, der Gottesstaat. - Und so sehen wir auftauchen — vorher waren die Anzeichen schon da, meine lieben Freunde -, so sehen wir auftauchen ein Interesse, das gerade von den folgenden Zeiten auf religiösem Gebiete mit voller Macht ergriffen wurde, und das ein Licht wirft auf alle späteren religiösen Kämpfe in den Seelen, die gerade diese religiösen Kämpfe am tiefsten erfühlt haben. Es taucht bereits bei Augustinus die Frage auf: Wie retten wir das Moralische gegenüber dem äußerlichen Gesetzeshaften? Wie retten wir die Moral, die gottdurchtränkte Moral, wie retten wir sie? 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