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Aber man muß eben wiederum dahin kommen, das Noumenale als solches schauen zu können. Daran müssen wir dann morgen anknüpfen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":234,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/343/ordination_and_transubstantiation/p030"},{"locus":"GA 343/ordination_and_transubstantiation/p031","passage_number":31,"text":"Ich denke allerdings, meine lieben Freunde, daß es viele Fragen aus der Seele hervorzaubern könnte, indem ich über diese Dinge spreche, und es wäre mir doch lieb, wenn die Fragen, während Sie hier sind, nicht nur im allgemeinen, sondern auch schon im Konkreten formuliert werden könnten, damit nicht Zweifel zurückbleiben. Denn ich meine durchaus, daß Ernst werden sollte, was sich der kleine Kreis, der sich an mich gewendet hat, vorgenommen hat: wirklich nach einer Erneuerung des Religiösen hinzuarbeiten. 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