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He tells himself: You should really see—and he does see it, as his soul becomes increasingly active—you should really see the red in a rose begin to spray out above and below as tiny flashes of lightning, and whereas the front part becomes dulled, the red in the rear interacts with the sphere of the Seraphim, and all sounds are linked with the sphere of the Cherubim, and everything that we touch I is connected with the sphere of the Thrones. 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Aber in alldem sieht ja der Initiierte die äußere Offenbarung desjenigen, was dahinter ist, und er sagt sich: Eigentlich mußt du sehen — und er sieht es auch, wenn seine Seele immer aktiver und aktiver wird - die rote Rose. Sie beginnt ihr Rot nach oben und unten wie in leisen Blitzen zu verspritzen, und während das Vordere sich abstumpft, greift nach rückwärts das Rot ein in die Sphäre der Seraphim, ebenso wie alles Tonliche eingreift in die Sphäre der Cherubim, und wie alles, was wir tasten, eingreift in die Sphäre der Throne. Und wenn man die Natur um sich sieht, hat man eigentlich in der physischen Welt alles als Illusion vor sich, denn in Wahrheit sind es die abgedämpften Werke der Seraphim, Cherubim und Throne. Schauen wir, meine lieben Freunde, in die farbige Welt, so wie sie erscheint, so ist sie nur die gleichmäßig abgetönte Blitzwirkung der Seraphim. Das ist eigentlich dasjenige, was in uralten Zeiten der Maja-Charakter der sinnlich-physischen Welt genannt worden ist, daß man nicht weiß, daß da in Wirklichkeit überall Seraphim, Cherubim, Throne da sind.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":210,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/346/1924-09-21/p007"},{"locus":"GA 346/1924-09-21/p008","passage_number":8,"text":"Nun gehen wir etwas weiter in der Initiation. Gehen wir über zu dem, wo der Apokalyptiker den Hauptwert auf das SiegelEröffnen legt. Ja, was geschieht denn da? Da löst sich ab das Farbige der Welt, das Wärmeartige löst sich ab, und immer mehr und mehr treten Wirkungen auf, die geistig sind und die schon ähnlich werden den wahren Gestalten des Blitzartigen, die sich formen. Statt das Zickzack-Hervorbrechen der Blitze zu sehen, sehen wir beim Durchbrechen durch den Sinnesteppich dasjenige, was dahinter ist als geistige Welt; wir sehen dahinter sanftverlaufende Blitze. Wir wissen, daß darin zunächst diejenigen Wesen leben, die die Diener sind der Seraphim, der Cherubim und der Throne. Ähnlich ist es mit dem Tonlichen, ähnlich ist es mit dem Wärmehaften, ähnlich ist es mit dem Faßbaren, Tastbaren. Und so, wie dasjenige verlöscht, was ja zunächst uns als der irdische Sinnenteppich erscheint und dahinter diese Welt von solchen blitzartigen Gebilden erscheint und solche in sich geschlossene Figuren aus dem Astralfeuer bildet und sich immer mehr und mehr erweitert, in demselben Maße beginnen die Sterne herunterzustrahlen; so daß wir so wie Fäden des Lichtes dasjenige verfolgen, was sie sind, und es mischen sich in die Dinge, die elementar wirken, Sternenfäden, Sternenstrahlungen, Lichter hinein. Es ver","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":204,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/346/1924-09-21/p008"},{"locus":"GA 346/1924-09-21/p009","passage_number":9,"text":"bindet sich das Irdische mit dem Himmlischen, und wir wissen, wir kommen in den ersten Zustand der zweiten Welt hinein, wo alles noch naturhaft leuchtend ist, wo wir nur ahnen, daß dahinter Wesenheiten sind. Wir gewahren höchstens Elementarwesenhaftes, aber wir sehen in diesen Elementarwesenheiten gewissermaßen die Wirkungsorgane von starken, bedeutsamen, erhabenen Wesenheiten. Wir kommen sozusagen in den ersten Bezirk der Kyriotetes, Dynameis, Exusiai. Die sind gleichsam noch dahinter, aber sie treten herein in diese Wesenheiten, und wir kommen, indem wir weiter auf dem Initiationswege kommen, allmählich dazu, daß diese Wesen Kyriotetes, Dynameis, Exusiai sich allmählich immer mehr in ihrer eigenen Wesenheit enthüllen. Das ist verknüpft damit, daß die weltentönende Sphärenharmonie hereintritt, aber die einzelnen Töne dieser Weltenharmonie, die jetzt erklingen und die sich eigentlich nur in großen Zeiträumen zu Harmonien und zu Melodien zusammensetzen, die sich auch in der Zeit nur zu Harmonien bilden, wenn die Zeit eine Einheit wird, die führt der Apokalyptiker als Posaunenklänge an, so daß wir in den Tönen der Posaunen das reine Leben der zweiten Hierarchie haben, während die erste Hierarchie in ganz großer Mächtigkeit dem eigentlichen Sinnenerleben zugrundeliegt.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":184,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/346/1924-09-21/p009"},{"locus":"GA 346/1924-09-21/p010","passage_number":10,"text":"Und weiter gelangen wir dazu, aus dieser Welt, in der, ich möchte sagen, alle Sinneswirkungen flutend und grandios und majestätisch geworden sind und damit sich nicht nur über die Dinge und Vorgänge der physischen Welt hinlagern, sondern der eigentliche Ausdruck des Wesenhaften sind, das in der zweiten Hierarchie in den Elementarwesen wirkt —, wir gelangen immer mehr dazu, aus dieser Welt in eine dritte Region hineinzukommen, wo wir gar nichts Naturhaftes mehr, auch nicht in Elementarisches aufgelöstes Naturhaftes mehr wahrnehmen, sondern wo wir alles, was wir wahrnehmen wollen, geistig wahrnehmen müssen. Wir kommen hinein in einen Bezirk der geistigen Welt, von dem wir in der folgenden Weise sprechen müssen; wir müssen uns sagen: Indem wir dasjenige durchgemacht haben, was wie die sich auflösenden, aber zu gleicher Zeit in Formen sich gestaltenden Sinneswahrnehmungen der Erde ist, die ergriffen werden von der sich erweiternden Sinneswahrnehmung der Sterne, sind wir dazu gelangt, wie in letzten Residuen der Sinneswahrnehmung alles, was in Kyriotetes, Exusiai, Dynameis im Weltenall wirkt, so zu erkennen, daß diese Wesenheiten wie innerlich gebunden sind an die wahre Substantialität der Sterne. Die Sternenwelt hat sich uns in die Wesenheiten der Hierarchien verwandelt, Wir leben, statt daß wir im Sinnenscheine aufblicken zu den Sternen, in der Welt der Hierarchien. Da sind die Hierarchien noch durchtränkt mit dem, was ich nennen möchte verspritzte und aufgelöste Sinneserkenntnis. Jetzt gelangen wir in den dritten Bezirk, wo wir nicht mehr sinnlich alles Irdische wahrnehmen, wo wir das SeelischÜbersinnliche wahrnehmen müssen ohne den Einschlag des Sinnlichen; wir gelangen in den Bezirk der eigentlichen geistigen Welt und lernen sie zuerst kennen in Angeloi, Archangeloi, Archai. Diese Wesenheiten kann man in ihrer Geistigkeit erkennen, und man muß wissen, wenn man ihnen als Maler und dergleichen Gestalt gibt, daß sie diese sinnliche Gestalt nur dadurch haben, daß sie in die seelisch-geistigen Elemente eingewoben sind, in die Wesenheit der höheren Hierarchien. Wir müssen wissen, wenn wir ihnen zum Beispiel Flügel malen, daß diese Flügel von den Wesenheiten der zweiten Hierarchie sind, die ihnen ihre Substantialität leihen, daß sie aber ein Haupt von der ersten Hierarchie erhalten, die ihnen diese Gestaltung und deren Inhalt leihen. 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