{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 348/1922-12-30/p039","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Here, correctly understood, natural science points to what human life is like in the spiritual world before conception. Today's materialists will naturally say that this is fantasy. Why do they say this? All the ancient people who, in primordial human times, still possessed certain dreamlike perceptions, which we no longer have, knew that man exists before he appears on earth. Throughout the Middle Ages, however, it was forbidden by decree of the Church to think of so-called pre-existence, which means pre-earthly existence; the Church forbade it. When a materialist agitates today, the rostrum is only the continuation of the medieval pulpit, and though he no longer speaks the language of those preachers, using instead the words of an agitator, he only says what medieval sermons stated long ago. Materialism has simply taken over the medieval preachings, and, though they are not aware of. it, today's materialists basically elaborate on what the Church taught. Materialism stems basically from the Church of the Middle Ages. Then, no soul was permitted to have existed before its earthly life. The intention was to teach people that God creates the soul when conception takes place. If a couple were in the mood to let conception occur—we know that in many instances this can be a mood of the moment—the Good Lord had to move quickly and create a soul for them! This is what the Church edict really implied and what one was supposed to believe.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"I. 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Und wenn heute der materialistische Agitator am Rednerpult steht, so ist bei dem das Rednerpult nur die Fortsetzung der mittelalterlichen Kanzel, denn er redet nur dasjenige - wenn er auch nicht mehr im Kanzelpredigerton, sondern im Agitatorenton redet —, er redet nur dasjenige, was die mittelalterlichen Kanzelreden schon brachten. Der Materialismus hat auch nur die mittelalterlichen Kanzelreden übernommen. Und die heutigen Materialisten, die eigentlich nichts wissen, sondern nur das nachsagen, was schon im Mittelalter gelehrt worden ist durch Kirchengebote, die sind im Grunde genommen nicht diejenigen, die auf irgendeiner Wissenschaft aufbauen, sondern die gerade auf demjenigen aufbauen, was die Kirche lehrt. Der Materialismus kommt im Grunde genommen von der Kirche im Mittelalter. Da durfte nämlich keine Seele vor ihrem irdischen Dasein existent sein, weil man den Menschen lehren wollte, irgendein beliebiger Gott schöpfe halt die Seele, wenn eine Befruchtung eintritt. 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