{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 352/1924-02-20/p016","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"But now it happens that the astral body hears the matter, but the physical body does not participate because the person in question is too weak. Now think about this. The man heard from Mr. Erbsmehl himself on my account: You are a completely crazy guy – I'm saying it quite radically now, aren't I – because you get drunk every other moment! That's not on, it's inhuman! and so on, and the man swallowed it all. That's what happened, it happens in life that people swallow the matter and then move on again. But his astral body has kept something of it. Perhaps you said it so strongly and so often that the astral body and the etheric body could not get away without keeping it. As long as they were stuck inside the physical body without any hindrance, they did not hear anything. At the moment when the physical body became so relaxed that the etheric and astral bodies were loosened, yes, then suddenly the thought came into the person through the etheric and astral bodies: Mr. Erbsmehl might have been right after all! Maybe it is completely crazy that I have drunk so much throughout my life. Now I want to do penance, now that things have been loosened up, as you can imagine. The astral body and the ether body say: Aha, now he is not drinking alcohol, now he is drinking chocolate and sugar water! Perhaps he would have drunk lemonade too, if there had been any. The fact that something like this can happen proves, especially to the person who looks at things sensibly, that all kinds of things can get into a person that do not come out. I also told you the opposite case once. The opposite case was where the story did not remain in the astral and etheric bodies, but entered the physical body too strongly, where, so to speak, one listened far too much to the matter. The opposite case is this: a former acquaintance of mine — he was a very learned gentleman — it happened one day that his consciousness and memory left him. He no longer knew who he once was, what he had done; he no longer knew anything of his entire erudition. He had forgotten everything. He didn't even know that he was himself, that he was he. But nevertheless, his mind was clear. His mind was working clearly. He went to the train station, bought a train ticket and traveled far. He had also taken money with him, what little he had left. He could travel far. When he arrived at the station for which the ticket was valid, he bought a new ticket. And he did that several times, not knowing anything about what he was doing. But the mind is so separate from the actual person that everything happened quite rationally, as animals act rationally - as I have often shown you in many a good example - without having an ego. Now that he found himself again, his memory came back. He knew who he was, and his learning also came back to his mind. But he found himself in Berlin in a shelter for the homeless! That's where he ended up last. He left from Stuttgart. It was later established that he left from there. He was unconscious in Budapest and so on. He was able to make the journey from Berlin to Stuttgart again. Then someone from his family, who was terribly worried, picked him up. He was able to do that again. He then ended it by committing suicide. One time it was due to unconsciousness, the other time it was suicide.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"VI. 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Vielleicht haben Sie es so stark gesagt und so oft, daß der astralische Leib und der Ätherleib gar nicht wegkommen konnten, ohne das zu behalten. Solange die im physischen Leib drinnen ganz ohne Hindernis steckten, so lange haben sie nichts gehört. In dem Augenblick, wo der physische Leib so wurde, daß der Ätherleib und der astralische Leib gelockert wurden, ja, da plötzlich kam durch den Ätherleib und den Astralleib der Gedanke in den Menschen hinein: Der Herr Erbsmehl könnte doch recht gehabt haben! Vielleicht ist das ganz verrückt, daß ich das ganze Leben hindurch so viel getrunken habe. Jetzt will ich einmal — nun, das können Sie sich ja denken, wenn die Dinge gelockert sind - Buße tun! - Da sagen dann der astralische Leib und der Ätherleib: Aha, jetzt trinkt er keinen Alkohol, jetzt trinkt er Schokolade und Zuckerwasser! — Vielleicht hätte er auch Limonade getrunken, wenn welche dagewesen wäre. Dadurch, daß so etwas auftreten kann, wird gerade für den, der die Dinge verständig ansieht, der Beweis geliefert, daß da im Menschen allerlei sitzen kann, was nicht herauskommt. Den gegenteiligen Fall habe ich Ihnen auch einmal erzählt. Der gegenteilige Fall war, wo die Geschichte nicht im Astralleib und Ätherleib drinnenblieb, sondern zu stark in den physischen Leib hineinging, wo man gewissermaßen viel zu viel auf die Sache hinhörte. Der gegenteilige Fall ist der: Einem ehemaligen Bekannten von mir — er war ein sehr gelehrter Herr — passierte es eines Tages, daß ihn das Bewußtsein und das Gedächtnis verließen. Er wußte nicht mehr, wer er einmal war, was er getan hat; von seiner ganzen Gelehrsamkeit wußte er nichts mehr. Alles hatte er vergessen. Er wußte nicht einmal, daß er er selbst ist, daß er er ist. Aber trotzdem, sein Verstand war klar. Der Verstand wirkte ganz klar. Er ging zum Bahnhof, löste sich ein Eisenbahnbillett und fuhr weit. Geld hatte er sich auch mitgenommen, das, was er noch gehabt hat. Er konnte weit fahren. Als er angekommen war an der Station, wohin das Billett gelautet hatte, kaufte er sich ein neues. Und das tat er mehrmals, wußte gar nichts von dem, was er tat. Der Verstand ist aber so abgesondert vom eigentlichen Menschen, daß alles ganz verständig geschah, wie die Tiere verständig handeln - wie ich Ihnen oftmals an manchem guten Beispiel gezeigt habe -, ohne daß sie ein Ich haben. Nun, da fand er sich einmal wiederum, das Gedächtnis kam wiederum. Er wußte, wer er ist, Seine Gelehrsamkeit rückte auch wiederum im Kopfe herauf; aber er befand sich in Berlin in einem Obdachlosenasyl! Da ist er zuletzt gelandet. Abgereist ist er von Stuttgart. Man konnte nachher konstatieren, daß er dort abgereist ist. In bewußtlosem Zustande ist er in Budapest und so weiter gewesen. Den Weg von Berlin nach Stuttgart hat er wiederum machen können. Dann hat ihn jemand von seiner Familie abgeholt, die furchtbar in Ängsten war. Er hat das wieder machen können. Er hat dann allerdings durch Selbstmord geendet. 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