{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 57/1908-11-14/p008","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"The question that interests us here is this: Despite all the acumen and scholarship, which is not denied for a moment, has research and history alone really brought about this modern view? — Anyone who can thoroughly investigate not only the external aspects of history, but who can also delve into the spiritual foundations of human development with their thoughts, feelings, and entire worldview, will soon notice something else. It was not merely historical sense, it was not merely so-called objective research, but it was the habits of thought of modern times, the cherished views that had become increasingly widespread since the last century, when they first appeared; they did not allow the faith and ideas that had prevailed for centuries to continue to exist in the souls of the people, that Jesus of Nazareth contained not only a superior but a universal essence, an essence — let us call it for now a spiritual-divine one — that must be related not only to the whole of humanity, but to the whole development of the world in general. The belief and the idea that this essence had worked in the mortal body of Jesus of Nazareth, and that we have a unique event before us, were lost. This contradicts the habits of thought so much that they had to oppose such a belief. It was critical research that unconsciously crept in to justify what the habits of thought initially wanted. More and more, a sense arose that could not bear anything that transcended normal human personality, a sense that said: Yes, there have been great people in the development of the world: Socrates, Plato, and others. Certainly, we want to admit that Jesus of Nazareth was the greatest. But we must remain within this human level. — That something may have lived in Jesus that cannot be compared with normal human beings contradicts the materialistic mental images that have become increasingly entrenched, especially. We can see how this idea has unconsciously crept in and become associated with what so-called historical research has established.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"The Bible and Wisdom II","site_heading":null,"date":"1908-11-14","location":null,"word_count":343,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/57/1908-11-14/p008","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:identity","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"eLib2014","book_title":"Where and How Does One Find the Spirit?","publisher":null,"publisher_inferred":false,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA057/English/eLib2014/19081114p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line"},"edition_coverage":{"de":["original"],"en":["English"]},"available_versions":[{"lang":"de","edition":"original","edition_basis":null,"is_original":true,"is_default_edition":true,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/57/1908-11-14/p008"},{"lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/57/1908-11-14/p008","paragraph_aligned":true}],"record":{"record_type":"unknown","scope":"volume","note":"How this text was taken down (shorthand transcript, listeners' notes or manuscript) is not on record here. 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Es war nicht bloß der historische Sinn, es war nicht bloß die sogenannte objektive Forschung, sondern es waren die Denkgewohnheiten der neueren Zeit, die liebgewordenen Anschauungen, die seit dem letzten Jahrhundert, wo sie gegeben waren, immer mehr verbreitet wurden; sie ließen es nicht zu, daß über die Gestalt des Christus Jesus in den Seelen sich weiter erhielten der Glaube und die Ideen, die seit Jahrhunderten geherrscht haben, daß in Jesus von Nazareth enthalten war nicht nur eine überragende, sondern eine universale Wesenheit, eine Wesenheit — bezeichnen wir sie zunächst als eine geistig-göttliche —, die nicht nur zur ganzen Menschheit in Beziehung gebracht werden muß, sondern zur ganzen Entwickelung der Welt überhaupt. Es verloren sich der Glaube und die Idee, daß diese Wesenheit gewirkt hat in dem sterblichen Leibe des Jesus von Nazareth, und daß wir da ein einzigartiges Ereignis vor uns haben. Das widerspricht so sehr den Denkgewohnheiten, daß sie sich gegen einen solchen Glauben richten mußten. Da war es die kritische Forschung, die sich unbewußt einschlich, um recht zu geben dem, was die Gedanken-Gewohnheiten vorerst wollten. Immer mehr und mehr kam der Sinn herauf, der nicht ertragen konnte, daß irgend etwas über das normale Menschlich-Persönliche hinausragt, der Sinn, der sich sagt: Ja, es hat große Menschen in der Weltenentwickelung gegeben: Sokrates, Plato oder andere. Gewiß, wir wollen zugeben, daß Jesus von Nazareth der Größte war. Aber wir müssen innerhalb dieses Menschheitsniveaus bleiben. — Daß in Jesu etwas gewohnt haben kann, das sich mit dem normalen Menschen nicht vergleichen läßt, das widerspricht den materialistischen Vorstellungen, die sich immer mehr eingenistet haben, ganz besonders. 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