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Proponents of this approach proudly point out the percentage by which mortality has actually decreased in various areas over the last few decades. However, those who say that it is not so much external causes that are important when considering illness, but rather the causes that lie within the individual, so to speak their predisposition to illness, their sensible or unreasonable lifestyle, will again emphasize that, although mortality rates have undeniably decreased in recent times, the incidence of disease has increased alarmingly. They emphasize how certain forms of disease have increased: heart disease, cancer, forms of disease that are not even recorded in the writings of earlier times, diseases of the digestive organs, and so on. The reasons put forward by one side or the other are certainly noteworthy. From a superficial point of view, it cannot be argued that germs or bacteria are not pathogens of the most terrible kind. 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Let us consider the claim — which is made with a certain degree of justification — that in a disease that has been occurring frequently in recent times, namely stiff neck, the pathogen is by no means transmitted from one sick person to another, but that people who are completely healthy, who are completely unaffected by what is known as stiff neck, could, in a certain sense, carry the germs within themselves and transmit them to other people, so that people walking among us are carriers of germs, from which those who are susceptible can then contract the disease, while the others who carry the germs do not necessarily have to be affected by the disease. — This could lead to demands to isolate carriers of germs, because if someone has contracted stiff neck, they are not as dangerous as those who care for them, who may be the actual carriers of the disease. The consequences of making it difficult for these people to interact with others can be seen from the following example: It can be argued, and has already been argued, that at some school a large number of children suddenly fell ill with this or that disease. No one knew where the disease came from. It turned out that the teachers were the actual carriers of the disease. They themselves did not contract the disease, but the entire school was infected by them. The term “germ carrier” or “germ catcher” is a term that can even be used with some justification by a certain side. It is almost self-evident from the little we have been able to cite that those who are laymen in this field have very little knowledge of everything that may confront them from one side or the other.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":378,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/57/1909-01-14/p013","german_anchor":{"de_prefix":"1909-01-14","de_passages":[{"locus":"GA 57/1909-01-14/p013","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/57/1909-01-14/p013"}],"bead_confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","meaning","audit"],"length_check":{"de_words":380,"en_words":378,"ratio":0.99,"partial":false},"correspondence":"established","note":"English passage numbering is edition-relative, so the same number need not name the same paragraph in the German. 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Mit Stolz weist der Anhänger dieser Richtung darauf hin, um wieviel Prozent die Sterblichkeit da oder dort in den letzten Jahrzehnten tatsächlich abgenommen hat. Diejenigen aber, die sagen, daß es nicht so sehr die äußeren Ursachen sind, welche für die Betrachtung der Krankheit wichtig sind, sondern daß es vor allen Dingen die im Menschen liegenden Ursachen sind, sozusagen seine Krankheitsdisposition, sein vernünftiges oder unvernünftiges Leben, die werden wieder besonders betonen, daß in den letzten Zeiten zwar unleugbar die Sterblichkeitsziffern abgenommen haben, daß aber die Krankheitsziffern in einer erschreckenden Weise zugenommen haben. Es wird betont, wie gewisse Krankheitsformen zugenommen haben: Herzkrankheiten, Krebskrankheiten, Krankheitsformen, die in den Schriften der älteren Zeit gar nicht verzeichnet sind, Krankheiten der Verdauungsorgane und so weiter. Diejenigen Gründe, die von der einen oder anderen Seite hervorgebracht werden, sind durchaus beachtenswert. Es kann von einem oberflächlichen Standpunkte aus nicht eingewendet werden, die Bazillen oder Bakterien seien nicht Krankheitserreger furchtbarster Art. Es kann aber auf der anderen Seite auch nicht geleugnet werden, daß der Mensch in gewisser Beziehung entweder gefestigt und gesichert ist gegen Einflüsse solcher Krankheitserreger oder es nicht ist. Er ist es nicht, wenn er sich durch unvernünftige Lebensweise um seine Widerstandskraft gebracht hat.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":248,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/57/1909-01-14/p012"},{"locus":"GA 57/1909-01-14/p013","passage_number":13,"text":"In vieler Beziehung sind diejenigen Dinge bewundernswert, welche von der Schulmedizin in der letzten Zeit geleistet worden sind. Sehen wir doch einmal zu, wie subtil und fein die Untersuchungen über das gelbe Fieber sind im Zusammenhange mit der Art und Weise, wie es durch gewisse Insekten von Mensch zu Mensch übertragen wird. Wie vorzüglich sind die Untersuchungen in bezug auf die Malaria und ähnliches! Aber auf der anderen Seite können wir sehen, daß berechtigte Ansprüche dieser Schulmedizin sehr leicht unser ganzes Leben durchkreuzen können, was in gewisser Beziehung zu einer Tyrannis führen kann. Denken wir, daß — und zwar mit einem gewissen Recht — behauptet wird,in einer in der letzten Zeit häufig auftretenden Krankheit, in der Genickstarre, werde durchaus nicht der Krankheitserreger von einem Kranken auf einen anderen Menschen übertragen, sondern Menschen, die ganz gesund sind, die ganz fernstehen dem, was man mit Genickstarre bezeichnet, könnten in gewisser Beziehung die Krankheitskeime in sich tragen und sie auf andere Menschen übertragen, so daß Menschen, die unter uns herumgehen, die Träger von Krankheitskeimen seien, von denen dann der, welcher dazu geeignet ist, die Krankheit bekommen kann, während die anderen, welche die Keime tragen, durchaus nicht von der Krankheit befallen zu werden brauchen. — So könnte es dahin kommen, daß die Forderung aufgestellt würde, die Krankheitskeimträger zu isolieren; denn wenn irgendeiner an Genickstarre erkrankt ist, so sei er gar nicht einmal so gefährlich wie diejenigen, welche ihn pflegen, und die vielleicht die eigentlichen Krankheitsträger sind. Zu welchen Konsequenzen das führen muß, wenn man diesen Menschen den Umgang erschweren würde, das mag man daraus erkennen: Man kann anführen und es ist schon angeführt worden —., daß an irgendeiner Schule plötzlich eine größereAnzahl von Kindern an dieser oder jener Krankheit erkrankt ist. Man wußte nicht, woher die Krankheit gekommen ist. Da stellte sich heraus, daß die Lehrer die eigentlichen Krankheitsträger waren. Sie selber sind nicht von der Krankheit befallen worden, aber die ganze Schule ist von ihnen angesteckt worden. Der Ausdruck Bazillenträger oder Bazillenfänger ist ein Ausdruck, der von einer gewissen Seite sogar mit einem gewissen Recht gebraucht werden kann. 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