{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 66/1917-03-31/p024","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"They speak of the results of perception that are based on the research of the seeing consciousness. But one can also gain an approximate idea in the ordinary consciousness of that which is actually the very first of the seeing consciousness. Imagine yourself — and basically anyone can do this — in a very vivid morning dream from which you wake up, and try to remember such a dream in which you have tried, I would even say, to really live in the dream, more or less subconsciously trying to really live in it. Then you will have experienced that what you feel as thoughts, as if they were banished to your body, and of which you have to say to yourself, “I feel my thoughts as though they were thought by me,” you will have to think about that, so to speak, spread out over the images of the dream as they flood in. You cannot distinguish yourself from what is flooding in the images of the dream, as you can distinguish yourself in sensual consciousness, so that you can say, “I stand here and I think about the things that are out there.” You do not perceive something outside and think about it, but you have the direct experience: in what is flooding up and down, the forces live that otherwise live in my thinking. It is as if you yourself were immersed in the surging life, so that the surging, the form of the surging, everything that is there is formed like weaving, living thought forces: objective life and weaving of thought forces. This, what can only be imagined in the dream life, I would like to say, can be perceived very distinctly in the seeing consciousness as a first impression. There really the possibility ceases to think: There outside are the objects and there inside in my head I think about the objects. No, there one feels embedded in something, what one would like to call a surging substantial sea, in which one is a wave. And that, what thought power is, is not only in one, that is outside, that drives this surging and surging, that goes outward, inward. That is to say, one sometimes feels connected to it, sometimes in such a way that the power of thought flows outside without one.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"5. The Beyond of the Senses and the Beyond of the Soul","site_heading":null,"date":"1917-03-31","location":null,"word_count":388,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/66/1917-03-31/p024","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:identity","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Mind and Matter — Life and Death","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA066/English/SOL2024/19170331p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Da werden Sie erfahren haben, daß dasjenige, was Sie als Gedanken so wie an Ihren Leib gebannt spüren, wovon Sie sich sagen müssen: meine Gedanken fühle ich als von mir gedachte, daß Sie das gewissermaßen ausgebreitet denken müssen über das gleichsam Hinflutende der Bilder des Traumes. Sie können sich nicht unterscheiden von dem, was in den Bildern des Traumes hinflutet, wie Sie sich unterscheiden können im sinnlichen Bewußtsein, so daß Sie sagen können: «Ich stehe hier und ich denke über die Dinge, die da draußen sind.» Sie nehmen nicht außen etwas wahr und denken darüber nach, sondern Sie haben unmittelbar das Erlebnis: In dem, was da auf- und abfluter, leben die Kräfte, die sonst in meinem Denken leben. Es ist, wie wenn Sie selber eintauchen würden in flutendes Leben, so daß das Fluten, die Form des Flutens, alles, was da ist, wie webende, lebende Gedankenkräfte gebildet ist: objektives Leben und Weben der Gedankenkräfte. 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