{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 66/1917-03-31/p031","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"When you imagine something and hold the image in your mind, and later you recall this image, you say you are remembering. But as I have just explained, this is based on something that is happening in the physical organism. It is just that we cannot follow it with our ordinary consciousness. But if we ascend into the consciousness of vision, then we come, as it were, to see what happens behind the memory, what happens in man in the time that elapses from the moment when he conceived a thought that has now disappeared as it were, and lives only down in the physical organism until it is brought up again. All that lives beyond the thought that is remembered is not perceived if one cannot lift oneself out of oneself through the seeing consciousness and, as it were, look at oneself from the other side. So that one not only sees a thought going down and sensing it coming back up, but perceiving everything that happens in between while the thought is going down and coming back up. This is only possible for the inspired consciousness; it is possible for the beholder who has made it possible for himself not only to look outward while living in the physical body, but to look even within the body of man himself while living in the spirit. Thus man reaches, on the one hand, a beyond of the soul, which assures him that he lives in the spirit. But man also reaches the beyond of the soul, which works in what lives unconsciously from the disappearance of a thought until the reappearance of the same, what lives down there as what Eduard von Hartmann calls the “unconscious”, and which he believes can never be reached by consciousness. It cannot be reached by ordinary consciousness because the thought is reflected in the organism beforehand; but if one gets behind this reflection, if one goes beyond oneself and lives in the observing consciousness, then one experiences what really happens in a person between the moment of conceiving the thought and the moment of remembering it. And this we will now hold fast, what man can perceive, as it were, beyond that stream through the seeing consciousness, which is usually limited to him by memory. For we see well: there we enter through the seeing consciousness into a beyond of the soul.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"5. The Beyond of the Senses and the Beyond of the Soul","site_heading":null,"date":"1917-03-31","location":null,"word_count":399,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/66/1917-03-31/p031","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:identity","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Mind and Matter — Life and Death","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA066/English/SOL2024/19170331p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Alles das, was da jenseits des Gedankens, der erinnert wird, lebt, das nimmt man nicht wahr, wenn man sich nicht durch das schauende Bewußtsein aus sich selbst herausheben kann, und gewissermaßen sich von der anderen Seite schaut. So daß man nicht nur sieht, ein Gedanke geht hinunter, und spürt, er kommt wieder herauf, sondern alles das wahrnimmt, was dazwischen geschieht, während der Gedanke hinuntergegangen ist und wieder heraufkommt. Das ergibt sich nur dem inspirierten Bewußtsein; das ergibt sich der Anschauung, die es sich ermöglicht hat, nicht nur im physischen Leibe lebend nach außen zu schauen, sondern im Geiste lebend selbst nach dem leiblichen Innern des Menschen zu schauen. So gelangt der Mensch auf der einen Seite zu einem Jenseits der Seele, das ihn vergewissert darüber, daß er im Geiste lebt. Aber auch zu dem Jenseits der Seele gelangt der Mensch, das da arbeitet in dem, was unbewußt lebt von dem Verschwinden eines Gedankens bis zum Wiederauftreten desselben, was da unten lebt als das, was Eduard von Hartmann das «Unbewußte» nennt, und von dem er glaubt, man könne es niemals mit dem Bewußtsein erreichen. Man kann es nicht mit dem gewöhnlichen Bewußtsein erreichen, weil sich der Gedanke vorher im Organismus spiegelt; aber wenn man hinter diese Spiegelung kommt, wenn man außer sich hinausgeht und im schauenden Bewußtsein lebt, dann erlebt man das, was zwischen dem Fassen des Gedankens und der Erinnerung wirklich im Menschen vorgeht. Und dies wollen wir jetzt festhalten, was da der Mensch gewissermaßen jenseits jenes Stromes wahrnehmen kann durch das schauende Bewußtsein, der ihm für gewöhnlich durch die Erinnerung begrenzt ist. 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