{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 66/1917-03-31/p034","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Indeed, ingenious and wonderful trains of thought have been developed over the airwaves in relation to natural science. But all these trains of thought have led to nothing, to the realization that the path of physical research leads only to the same thing that is seen in the sense perception, only that because some things are too fine or too fast to be perceived by the senses. One comes to no ether. This is clear today after the beautiful research with the pumped tubes, the vacuum tubes, where one thought one had the ether in one's hands; for today one knows that nothing else comes about through these experiments than radiant matter, not what can be called ether. I would even say that ether research in particular is undergoing the greatest revolution today. For one will never arrive at anything other than that which reflects, by way of physical research. If one wants to get further, then one must consider that which reflects with a community — but one can only do that with the seeing consciousness. And that is what lives in the ether that is truly inspired by thought. Therefore, when one asks about the beyond of the senses, one finds only one answer through the seeing consciousness. For when one recognizes the surging thought-inspired ether within oneself through imaginative knowledge, then one also comes to seek it behind the red, behind the sound, behind all external sensory perception; no longer the dead ether of today's physical conception, which is just fading away, but the living, thought-inspired ether. Behind what the senses perceive, lives the same thing that is found in us when we penetrate down into that which lives in us between the grasping of a thought and the remembering of a thought. We do not reach the beyond of the senses by the methods of modern physics, but by finding what is beyond the senses in our own being, by learning to recognize: the same process works in our own being between the grasping of a thought and the reminiscence of a thought, which lives outside and which penetrates my eye when I perceive red. Behind this red is the same thing that is in me between the grasping of a thought and the remembering of a thought. The beyond of the senses and the beyond of the soul leads into the spiritual.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"5. The Beyond of the Senses and the Beyond of the Soul","site_heading":null,"date":"1917-03-31","location":null,"word_count":397,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/66/1917-03-31/p034","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:identity","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Mind and Matter — Life and Death","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA066/English/SOL2024/19170331p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Das ist heute durchschaubar nach den schönen Forschungen mit den ausgepumpten Röhren, den Vakuumröhren, wo man glaubte, den Äther handgreiflich zu haben; denn man weiß heute, daß durch diese Experimente nichts anderes zustande kommt als strahlende Materie, nicht das, was Äther genannt werden kann. Gerade die Ätherforschung ist heute, ich möchte sagen, in der allergrößten Revolution. Denn man wird niemals auf dem Wege der physikalischen Forschung zu etwas anderem kommen als zu dem, was spiegelt. Will man weiter kommen, dann muß man dasjenige ins Auge fassen — aber das kann man nur mit dem schauenden Bewußtsein —, was sich mit einem gemeinschaftlich spiegelt. Und das ist das, was im wirklich gedankenbeseelten Äther lebt. Daher findet man, wenn man nach dem Jenseits der Sinne frägt, nur eine Antwort wiederum durch das schauende Bewußtsein. Denn, erkennt man den wogenden gedankenbeseelten Äther in sich durch die imaginative Erkenntnis, dann gelangt man auch dazu, ihn hinter dem Rot, hinter dem Ton, hinter allem äußeren sinnlichen Wahrnehmen zu suchen; nicht mehr den toten Äther der heutigen, eben verglimmenden physikalischen Anschauung, sondern den lebendigen, gedankenbeseelten Äther. Hinter dem, was die Sinne wahrnehmen, lebt das Gleiche, das in uns gefunden wird, wenn wir hinunterdringen in dasjenige, was da lebt in uns selbst zwischen dem Fassen eines Gedankens und dem Wiedererinnern eines Gedankens. Nicht auf dem Wege, auf dem die Physik heute vorgeht, gelangt man zu dem Jenseits der Sinne, sondern indem man das, was jenseits der Sinne ist, im eigenen Wesen findet, indem man erkennen lernt: da arbeitet im eigenen Wesen zwischen dem Fassen eines Gedankens und dem Wiedererinnern eines Gedankens derselbe Prozeß, der da draußen lebt und der an mein Auge dringt, wenn ich Rot wahrnehme. Hinter diesem Rot ist dasselbe, was in mir ist zwischen dem Fassen eines Gedankens und dem Wiedererinnern eines Gedankens. 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