{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 67/1918-02-07/p009","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Now, when something like this is said, a large proportion of our contemporaries will naturally think that it is a reference to all kinds of fantastical, visionary activities of the human soul. But that is not the case at all. Spiritual science is, rather, something that must be worked out just as methodically and proceed in just as strict a manner as pure natural science. The reason why spiritual science finds it so difficult to gain acceptance today is that for centuries now — I will discuss this in one of my next lectures — all human worldviews have basically been based on more or less eliminating the spiritual from the soul, viewing the soul as the entirety of human inner life, and to think of it as more or less dependent on or independent of the body, but not to seek such a relationship between the soul and the spirit as is sought on the other hand between the soul and the body. Those who, through pure soul experiences alone, even if they are, as is often thought, mystically heightened soul experiences — experiences that are thus purely inwardly experienced with the soul that one has in everyday consciousness — wants to learn something about the actual essence of the human being as a spiritual being, that is like a person who, out of hunger and thirst, wants to learn about those processes that take place in the human body and which are the basis for what the soul experiences in hunger and thirst. Everyone can easily see that hunger and thirst are the inner experience of something that is happening in the body. The scientific view of the world says: when a person feels hunger and thirst, there is a chemical change in the blood or something similar, indicating that something has happened in the body that is expressed in the soul through the experience of hunger and thirst. However, if one wants to investigate what is happening in the body, one must look at the soul experiences. Of course, one cannot investigate in a living being who is not hungry how hunger is expressed physically, but one can never, by merely considering the inner experience of hunger or satiety, discover the physical processes associated with this inner experience of hunger or thirst or satiety. Nor can one, no matter how deeply one delves into mysticism, no matter how much one allows one's inner soul experiences to play out according to the pattern of some mystics, learn anything from this mere play about what underlies the soul as spirit. Just as natural science, through its methods, must go beyond the mere experience of hunger and thirst or satiety to something that is not observed in ordinary soul life — for in ordinary soul life, human beings know nothing of the chemical processes that take place in their bodies while they suffer from hunger and thirst — so too, in a true contemplation of the spirit, one must move beyond all that can be experienced in the soul through imagination, feeling, and willing, to something spiritual.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"2. Human beings as Spiritual and Soul Beings","site_heading":null,"date":"1918-02-07","location":null,"word_count":517,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/67/1918-02-07/p009","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:identity","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2018","book_title":"The Eternal in the Human Soul","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA067/English/SOL2018/19180207p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Nur wird es der Geisteswissenschaft heute deshalb so schwer, durchzudringen, weil seit Jahrhunderten schon — in einem der nächsten Vorträge werde ich darüber Ausführungen machen — im Grunde genommen alle menschliche Weltbetrachtung darauf ausgegangen ist, aus der Seele das Geistige mehr oder weniger auszuschalten, das Seelische als die gesamte Innerlichkeit des Menschen zu betrachten, und es mehr oder weniger abhängig oder auch unabhängig vom Leib zu denken, aber nicht eine solche Beziehung von der Seele zum Geiste zu suchen, wie sie auf der andern Seite von der Seele zum Leib gesucht wird. Derjenige, der bloß durch reine Seelenerlebnisse, und wären es auch, wie man oftmals meint, mystisch gesteigerte Seelenerlebnisse — Erlebnisse, die also rein innerlich mit dem Seelischen erfahren werden, das man im alltäglichen Bewußtsein hat —, etwas über die eigentliche Wesenheit des Menschen als Geistwesen erfahren will, der gleicht einem Menschen, der aus Hunger und Durst sich unterrichten will über jene Vorgänge, die sich im menschlichen Leib abspielen, und die die Grundlage sind für das, was die Seele in Hunger und Durst durchlebt. Jeder Mensch sieht leicht ein, daß Hunger und Durst das innere Erlebnis ist für irgend etwas, was sich im Leib abspielt. Die naturwissenschaftliche Weltbetrachtung sagt: Wenn der Mensch Hunger und Durst empfindet, dann ist eine chemische Veränderung im Blute oder dergleichen, also sie weist darauf hin, daß sich im Leibe etwas abgespielt hat, das in der Seele zum Ausdruck kommt in dem Erlebnis des Hungers und des Durstes. Man muß allerdings, will man erforschen, was im Leibe vorgeht, hinschauen auf die Seelenerlebnisse. Man kann selbstverständlich nicht an einem lebendigen Wesen, das keinen Hunger hat, erforschen, worin der Hunger leiblich zum Ausdruck kommt, aber man kann niemals dadurch, daß man bloß das innerliche Erlebnis des Hungers oder der Sättigung ins Auge faßt, darauf kommen, mit welchen leiblichen Vorgängen dieses innere Erlebnis des Hungers oder Durstes oder der Sättigung zusammenhängt. Ebensowenig kann man, und wenn man sich noch so sehr mystisch vertieft, wenn man noch so sehr nach dem Muster mancher Mystiker seine inneren Seelenerlebnisse spielen läßt, aus diesem bloßen Spiel irgend etwas erfahren über das, was der Seele als Geistiges zugrunde liegt. So wie die Naturwissenschaft durch ihre Methoden über das bloße Erleben des Hungers und Durstes oder der Sättigung übergehen muß zu etwas, das im gewöhnlichen Seelenleben nicht beobachtet wird denn nichts weiß der Mensch im gewöhnlichen Seelenleben von jenen chemischen Vorgängen, die in seinem Leibe sich abspielen, während er Hunger und Durst leidet -, so muß man auch bei einer wirklichen Geistbetrachtung von alledem, was durch Vorstellen, Fühlen und Wollen in der Seele erlebt werden kann, übergehen zu etwas Geistigem.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":489,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/67/1918-02-07/p009"}],"english":["GA 67/1918-02-07/p009"],"method":"identity","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":489,"en_words":517,"ratio":1.06,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.05,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":8485,"original_word_count":8069,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2018","book_title":"The Eternal in the Human Soul","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA067/English/SOL2018/19180207p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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