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In this loneliness, he also felt many dangers – as people still say today: In his youth, Goethe still wrote understandably, but in his old age he came down and wrote [unintelligible]. – In contrast to this, Goethe once broke out in words that you will find spoken in his works: “There they praise my Faust and what else is in my works... and there the old rag-tag believes it is no longer.” That is how he felt about the misunderstood spiritual world. Especially when you are looking at the human soul and want to understand it practically, then you have to start from spiritual science. You have to be able to observe the interplay of forces and the meaning of the individual forces, as spiritual science presents them to us. Then we can look into the deep abysses of the soul in such a way that we can apply it practically. Only then do we understand as different fruits that which speaks to us spiritually from this point of view [through] Aeschylus in his drama [of] Zeus towards Prometheus, whom we will only understand when we understand what the mission of anger is in the astral body for the development of the I into the ability to love. The veil that we must lift if we want to penetrate to our satisfaction and to the right practical life is lifted so that we can say: Certainly, when we look at the soul in a spiritual scientific way, we feel how deep the fundamental tone is, and we also feel that we are on the way to penetrating into this ground. Spiritual science will first advise us to strive for the right thing little by little in order to penetrate the ideals and insights of the soul life that are to be attained; it will show us how to make the words of the ancient sage from the fifth and sixth century, whom we can remember when we explore the depths of the soul to find the boundaries of the soul, understandable in a new way, starting from these ideals. It will be difficult if we also travel a distance, because the soul's ground is infinitely deep.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"52. The Wrath of Zeus. 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Deshalb aber, weil die Menschheit heute so fern von der Geisteswissenschaft steht, von dem, was in solcher Dichterseele lebt, deshalb waren die Gedichte wie die «Pandora», so wenig verstanden. Das war zu Goethes Zeit schon so. Deshalb fühlte sich Goethe auch einsam auf seiner Lebenshöhe. In dieser Einsamkeit empfand er auch manche Gefahren — wie die Menschen auch heute noch sagen: In der Jugend hat Goethe noch verständlich geschrieben, aber im Alter ist er heruntergekommen und schreibt [Unverständliches] hin. — Demgegenüber ist Goethe einmal in Worte ausgebrochen, die Sie in seinen Werken ausgesprochen finden: «Da loben sie meinen Faust und was noch sonst in meinen Werken steht ... und da glaubt das alte Lumpenpack, man wär’s nicht mehr.» So dachte er über das Unverstandene der geistigen Welt. Gerade wenn man die menschliche Seele betrachtet und sie praktisch verstehen will, dann muss man von der Geisteswissenschaft ausgehen. Man muss das Spiel der Kräfte betrachten können und den Sinn der einzelnen Kräfte, wie sie uns die Geisteswissenschaft darlegt. Dann blicken wir in die tiefen Abgründe der Seele so hinein, dass wir es praktisch anwenden können. Wir verstehen dann erst als andere Früchte dasjenige, was von diesem Gesichtspunkte aus geistig zu uns spricht [durch] Aischylos in seinem Drama [von] Zeus gegenüber Prometheus, den wir erst verstehen werden, wenn wir verstehen, was der Zorn für eine Mission hat in dem astralischen Leib zur Entwicklung des Ich zur [Liebe]fähigkeit. Da lüftet sich der Schleier, den wir gelüftet haben müssen, wenn wir zu unserer Befriedigung und zum rechten praktischen Leben eindringen wollen so, dass wir sagen können: Gewiss, wenn wir geisteswissenschaftlich die Seele betrachten, fühlen wir, wie tief der Grundton ist, fühlen auch, dass wir auf dem Wege sind, in diesen Grund hineinzudringen. Die Geisteswissenschaft wird uns erst beraten, das Richtige nach und nach anzustreben, um die zu erreichenden Ideale und Erkenntnisse des Seelenlebens zu durchdringen; sie wird uns zeigen, von diesen Idealen aus in neuer Weise verständlich zu machen die Worte des uralten Weisen aus dem fünften und sechsten Jahrhundert, an den wir uns erinnern können, wenn wir die Tiefen der Seele erforschen, um die Grenzen der Seele zu finden. Schwer wird es sein, wenn wir auch eine Strecke durchwandern würden, denn unendlich tief ist der Seele Grund.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":395,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/68b/1909-10-21/p066"}],"english":["GA 68b/1909-10-21/p066"],"method":"identity","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":395,"en_words":438,"ratio":1.11,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","meaning","anchors","audit"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.04,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":9281,"original_word_count":8885,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"The Circular Flow of Man's Life within the World Of Sense, Soul And Spirit","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA068b/English/SOL2024/19091021p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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