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Und ich kann diesen Widerspruch voll begreifen, wenn mancher, der heute zugehört hat, morgen sich sagt: Das ist doch alles nur eine Träumerei, die da ausgesprochen worden ist. — Es mag sein, dass dies heute noch so aussieht, aber der Geistesforscher weiß, wie es um diese Dinge steht, er weiß, dass man heute noch so denken muss über diese Dinge, wie man seinerzeit über die große Weltanschauung so mancher Reformatoren dachte. Es weiß der Geistesforscher, dass ein ernster Impuls gegeben ist mit diesen seinen Andeutungen über den Weg, den die Geisteswissenschaft macht, um durch eine geistige Betrachtung der Menschheitsentwicklung selber zu dem Christus zu kommen und aus der Natur dieses Christus die Notwendigkeit einzusehen, so zu dem Jesus zu kommen, zu dem historischen Jesus. Man könnte das paradoxe Wort aussprechen: Gäbe es keine Evangelien, wären alle Evangelien verloren gegangen, so käme die Geisteswissenschaft trotzdem aus dem Entwicklungsgang der Menschheit zu der Erkenntnis des göttlichen Christuswesens, und von diesem göttlichen Christuswesen zur Erkenntnis der historischen Tatsache, dass dieses Christuswesen gelebt hat zu der Zeit, als die griechisch-römische Kulturentwicklung ihren Wendepunkt erreichte. Und würde man auf die Einzelheiten eingehen, so würde man mehr oder weniger genau, man möchte sagen mit einer mathematischen Notwendigkeit, angeben können, in welcher Zeit Christus gelebt hat und gelebt haben muss.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":292,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/69c/1913-11-15/p050"},{"locus":"GA 69c/1913-11-15/p051","passage_number":51,"text":"Wenn man also dem Christus entgegenkommen wird mit diesem geisteswissenschaftlichen Verständnis, das auch zum Verständnis seines historischen Wesens führt, so versteht man das Christus-Mysterium erst dann [vollständig], wenn man die geistige Schauung in ihrer historischen Notwendigkeit betrachtet, wenn man sie betrachtet als ein Ereignis jener Zeit in der menschheitlichen Entwicklung, die beim einzelnen Menschen mit dem fünfunddreißigsten Lebensjahre notwendig wird. 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