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The Essence of Spiritual Science and the Knowledge of the Transcendental World","date":"1915-04-09","location":null,"alignment_confidence":"medium","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"The Human Soul, Fate and Death","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA070a/English/SOL2024/19150409p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. The translator IS verified for this lecture: its own source names the translator (evidence: the lecture's page, rsarchive's lecture list, or the cover of the book it was published in), and that page's text was matched against this unit (see match_score and source_url). 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If we really look at this ordinary thinking, as it develops in the human being in everyday life, with an open mind, we have to say: it gets as far as what we call remembering, as far as recollection, as far as the unfolding of memory. We have been able to point out that what actually lives in thinking stands before the bodily as before a mirror, and that what the ordinary thoughts are is reflected back by the body. But then this thinking, this imagining develops such thoughts, such ideas, which, as one usually thinks, so to speak, become ingrained in the soul life, remain there, so that later one can look back again and, without an external experience being present, what one has experienced earlier finds an echo in one's own soul life. Basically, all philosophy and all science is based on the fact that man can develop memory, that he can look back on that which is no longer present. And it is precisely with regard to that which one can call memory that the truly correct scientific conception of the world is in complete harmony with the spiritual researcher. However, one must not believe – and progressive natural science will prove this, it will prove what I will now have to explain as a result of spiritual science – one must not believe that something like a photographic image of an experience remains in the soul when it is recalled in memory. Nor should we believe that something remains in the nervous system which, when it becomes active again, has a similarity to the experiences we had years ago or even yesterday. Indeed, the ideas that people working in the field of natural science have today are still inadequate, to a certain extent. But it is precisely the direction of natural science that leads to what I am about to say.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":352,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/70a/1915-04-09/p024","german_anchor":{"de_prefix":"1915-04-09","de_passages":[{"locus":"GA 70a/1915-04-09/p023","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/70a/1915-04-09/p023"}],"bead_confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false,"length_check":{"de_words":339,"en_words":352,"ratio":1.04,"partial":false},"correspondence":"established","note":"English passage numbering is edition-relative, so the same number need not name the same paragraph in the German. 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Just as someone who would describe: There is a letter that has a vertical line, an upward line, a curve, there is a letter that has the curve ahead, then vertical lines and so on – how one does not read, but how the one who has learned to read does not describe what he on paper, but rather, through his ability to read, forms certain ideas that have nothing to do with what is on the paper, so it is with what remains as a sign in the bodily organization in relation to what we then have in the actually experienced memory. This memory is an inner reading. As I said, science will prove this, especially from its point of view. It will increasingly move away from the adventurous ideas it currently has. You will soon see that spiritual science can come to such an insight, as it has just been expressed, when other types of spiritual scientific ideas are discussed.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":243,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/70a/1915-04-09/p026","german_anchor":{"de_prefix":"1915-04-09","de_passages":[{"locus":"GA 70a/1915-04-09/p025","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/70a/1915-04-09/p025"}],"bead_confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false,"length_check":{"de_words":251,"en_words":243,"ratio":0.97,"partial":false},"correspondence":"established","note":"English passage numbering is edition-relative, so the same number need not name the same paragraph in the German. 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We live and weave in a real being. In a real inner experience, we are in remembrance. It is through memory that man ascends from thinking, feeling and willing, which are still bound to the body in the broadest sense, to the spiritual. And when man trains his will sufficiently, he becomes aware that when he lives in memory, he lives in the soul, in the soul that is independent of the body, in that only the signs are in the body.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":239,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/70a/1915-04-09/p027","german_anchor":{"de_prefix":"1915-04-09","de_passages":[{"locus":"GA 70a/1915-04-09/p026","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/70a/1915-04-09/p026"}],"bead_confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false,"length_check":{"de_words":239,"en_words":239,"ratio":1.0,"partial":false},"correspondence":"established","note":"English passage numbering is edition-relative, so the same number need not name the same paragraph in the German. 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You also notice the difference, which consists in the fact that ordinary thinking is completely bound to the body; if the body does not reflect the thinking back as a mirror image, it is not there. But now one becomes aware that there is a thinking that is independent of bodily experience. As I said, it is still difficult today for a person to readily admit, without the usual ideas and habits of thinking, that there really is an inner soul force that underlies thinking, and that this force becomes so aware that the person, by having this inner experience, becomes completely independent of the body. So that one can say: The thinker, by experiencing himself in the power of thinking, in his own thinking, slips out of the body and becomes independent of the body. Now he can also judge that this inner power of thinking is really something that is independent of the body. With concentration, a real process has been achieved, a soul has become something else, has become that which can know itself independent of the body.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":303,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/70a/1915-04-09/p028","german_anchor":{"de_prefix":"1915-04-09","de_passages":[{"locus":"GA 70a/1915-04-09/p027","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/70a/1915-04-09/p027"}],"bead_confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false,"length_check":{"de_words":307,"en_words":303,"ratio":0.99,"partial":false},"correspondence":"established","note":"English passage numbering is edition-relative, so the same number need not name the same paragraph in the German. 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Wenn man wirklich unbefangen dieses gewöhnliche Denken, wie es der Mensch im alltäglichen Leben entwickelt, betrachtet, muss man sich sagen: Es kommt bis zu dem, was man das Erinnern nennt, bis zur Erinnerung, bis zur Gedächtnisentfaltung. Wir haben ja darauf aufmerksam machen können, dass dasjenige, was im Denken eigentlich lebt, vor dem Leiblichen steht wie vor einem Spiegel, und dass dasjenige, was die gewöhnlichen Gedanken sind, vom Leibe zurückgespiegelt wird. Dann aber entwickelt dieses Denken, dieses Vorstellen solche Gedanken, solche Vorstellungen, solche Ideen, welche gewissermaßen, wie man so gewöhnlich meint, in dem Seelenleben sich eingraben, dort bleiben, sodass man später wiederum zurückblicken kann und, ohne dass ein äußeres Erlebnis da ist, dasjenige, was man früher erlebt hat, im eigenen Seelenleben einen Nachklang findet. Im Grunde genommen beruht alle Philosophie, alle Wissenschaft darauf, dass der Mensch Erinnerung entwickeln kann, dass er zurückblicken kann auf dasjenige, was nicht mehr vorhanden ist. Und gerade mit Bezug auf dasjenige, was man Erinnerung nennen kann, steht mit der sich wirklich recht verstehenden naturwissenschaftlichen Weltauffassung der Geistesforscher in vollem, vollem Einklang. Man darf allerdings nicht glauben - und gerade die fortschreitende Naturwissenschaft wird das beweisen, es wird sich dasjenige beweisen, was ich jetzt als ein Ergebnis der Geisteswissenschaft werde auszuführen haben -, man darf nicht glauben, dass etwas wie eine fotografische Abbildung eines Erlebnisses in der Seele bleibt, die in der Erinnerung wieder heraufgeholt wird. Man darf auch nicht glauben, dass im Nervensystem irgendetwas bleibt, was, wenn es wieder regsam wird, eine Ähnlichkeit hat mit den Erlebnissen, die man vor Jahren ‚oder auch gestern gehabt hat. Allerdings sind heute noch die Vorstellungen, die der auf naturwissenschaftlichen Boden sich stellende Mensch sich macht, gewissermaßen unzureichend. Aber es ist eben durchaus die Richtung der Naturwissenschaft dahin gehend, wo auch dasjenige liegt, was jetzt zu sagen ist.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":339,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/70a/1915-04-09/p023"},{"locus":"GA 70a/1915-04-09/p024","passage_number":24,"text":"Was bleibt denn eigentlich, wenn wir jetzt ein Erlebnis haben und wenn dann Tage oder Jahre vergehen und wir später aus dem Borne unserer Erinnerungen wiederum heraufholen dasjenige, was wir erlebt haben? Was bleibt dann? Bleibt ein Abbild? Nein.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":39,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/70a/1915-04-09/p024"},{"locus":"GA 70a/1915-04-09/p025","passage_number":25,"text":"Meine sehr verehrten Anwesenden, gerade die Naturwissenschaft wird beweisen, dass dasjenige, was im Leibe bei der Erinnerung bleibt, sozusagen so aussieht, dass es dem, was wir da erinnern, nicht ähnlicher ist wie die Buchstaben, die auf einem Papier stehen. Und wir lesen ab, was wir erinnern, wie wir diese Buchstaben lesen. Gerade die Naturwissenschaft wird beweisen, dass diese Erinnerung eine Ähnlichkeit hat mit einem unterbewussten Lesen, dass dasjenige, was in der Erinnerung zurückbleibt, nichts ist als Zeichen, die erst gedeutet werden müssen von dem tieferen Seelenleben. So, wie derjenige nicht wirklich liest, der etwa beschreiben würde: Da ist ein Buchstabe, der hat einen Strich senkrecht, einen Strich aufwärts, eine Rundung, da ist ein Buchstabe, der hat die Rundung voraus, dann senkrechte Striche und so weiter — wie der nicht liest, sondern wie derjenige, der lesen gelernt hat, nicht beschreibt, was er auf dem Papier sieht, sondern durch sein Lesen-Können gewisse Vorstellungen sich bildet, die nichts zu tun haben mit dem, was auf dem Papier steht, so ist es mit dem, was als Zeichen zurückbleibt in der leiblichen Organisation, im Verhältnis zu dem, was wir dann in der wirklich erlebten Erinnerung haben. Es ist ein inneres Lesen, diese Erinnerung. Das, wie gesagt, wird die Naturwissenschaft beweisen, gerade von ihrem Gesichtspunkte aus. Immer mehr und mehr wird sie von den abenteuerlichen Vorstellungen abkommen, die sie jetzt hat. Dass die Geisteswissenschaft zu einer solchen Erkenntnis kommen kann, wie sie eben ausgesprochen wurde, werden Sie gleich ersehen, wenn über andere Arten geisteswissenschaftlicher Vorstellungen gesprochen wird.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":251,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/70a/1915-04-09/p025"},{"locus":"GA 70a/1915-04-09/p026","passage_number":26,"text":"So gelangt der Mensch in seinem Denken dazu, gewissermaßen das bloße Wahrnehmen von Spiegelbildern herauszuheben zu einer Art Lesen nach rückwärts, zu einem unterbewussten Lesen nach rückwärts hin. Auch das ist eine Art Spiegel; aber das, was gespiegelt wird, sind nur Zeichen, nicht ein wirkliches Bild, sondern Zeichen, die wir später aufrufen durch dasjenige, was wir als Seelenkraft in uns haben, zu dem, was uns dann das Wiederaufleben der Erinnerung ist. Merken wir daraus, dass, wenn wir in unseren Erinnerungen weben und leben, wir eigentlich in einem wirklichen Geistigen weben und leben. In dem Augenblick, wo das Denken in Erinnerung übergeht, wirkt schon in diesem Denken, man will es nur gewöhnlich nicht wahrhaben, eine tiefere, rein geistig-seelische Kraft. Denn wir können nicht, wenn wir uns erinnern, etwa den Vorgang, der in dem Gehirn geblieben ist, heraufbeschwören - das wäre nichts als ein Beschreiben der Buchstaben -, sondern wir müssen an den Zeichen Geistiges erkennen. Wir leben und weben in einem wirklichen Sein. In einem wirklichen inneren Erleben sind wir in der Erinnerung. Die Erinnerung ist dasjenige, durch das der Mensch von dem noch durchaus im größten Sinne an das Leibliche gebundene Denken, Fühlen und Wollen aufsteigt zum Geistigen. Und wenn der Mensch sich in seinem Willen genügend schult, dann wird er eben gewahr, dass, wenn er in der Erinnerung lebt, er im Seelischen lebt, in dem Seelischen, das vom Leibe unabhängig ist, insofern im Leiblichen nur die Zeichen sind.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":239,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/70a/1915-04-09/p026"},{"locus":"GA 70a/1915-04-09/p027","passage_number":27,"text":"Wenn man nun in der angegebenen Weise durch Meditation und Konzentration, wie sie prinzipiell beschrieben worden sind, das Denken erkraftet, das Denken belebt, dann kommt man dazu, dieses Denken selbst umzuwandeln zu dem, was es im gewöhnlichen Leben nicht ist. Dieses Denken gewinnt dann an innerer Aktivität. Es ist geradeso mit diesem Denken, wie wenn man vor einem Spiegel steht und es so weit brächte, wenn man so scharf innerlich tätig wäre, dass man dadurch das Spiegelbild auslöscht und dann sich gewahr würde, wie man da steht in seiner innerlichen Seelenkraft. So ist es mit dem Denken in der Konzentration. Man löscht die gewöhnlichen Gedanken aus, man lebt aber auf in der denkenden Kraft, und man merkt dann: Da lebt man in etwas auf, was jetzt nicht mehr im Leibe irgendetwas Bedingendes hat; man wird etwas ganz Neues gewahr. Man merkt auch den Unterschied, der darin besteht, dass das gewöhnliche Denken ganz an den Leib gebunden ist; wirft der Leib das Denken nicht zurück als Spiegelbild, so ist es nicht da. Jetzt aber wird man gewahr, dass es ein Denken gibt, das unabhängig ist vom leiblichen Erleben. Wie gesagt, heute ist es noch schwierig, dass der Mensch schon ohne Weiteres aus den gewohnten Vorstellungen und Denkgewohnheiten heraus zugibt, dass also wirklich eine innere Seelenkraft, die dem Denken zugrunde liegt, sich so gewahr wird, dass der Mensch, indem er dieses innere Erlebnis hat, von dem Leibe ganz unabhängig wird. Sodass man sagen kann: Der Denker schlüpft, indem er sich erlebt in der Denkkraft, in seinem Denken selber aus dem Leibe heraus, wird unabhängig von dem Leibe. Jetzt kann er auch beurteilen, dass wirklich diese innere Denkkraft etwas ist, was unabhängig vom Leibe ist. Es ist mit dem Konzentrieren ein realer Prozess erreicht, eine Seele ist etwas anderes geworden, ist das geworden, was sich unabhängig wissen kann vom Leibe.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":307,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/70a/1915-04-09/p027"}],"beads":[{"from":[24],"to":[23],"confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed"},{"from":[25],"to":[24],"confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed"},{"from":[26],"to":[25],"confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed"},{"from":[27],"to":[26],"confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed"},{"from":[28],"to":[27],"confidence":"medium","pairing_state":"proposed"}],"note":"Paired by the paragraph aligner; each language numbers its own paragraphs. A bead at either end of the span can carry text beyond it (the `from` numbers show what each bead covers)."}}