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The day before yesterday, I tried to show that the spiritual researcher does indeed come to the conclusion that the human soul can be penetrated into the spiritual world, but that this conviction develops in such a way that it is simultaneously connected with the insight that it cannot be the same soul forces, the same cognitive abilities that lead into the spiritual world and those that lead the human soul to penetrate into the sensory world and everything that belongs to it in a sensory way; that it is rather necessary for the spiritual researcher to first develop and develop out of the ordinary thinking, feeling and willing, as they and ordinary science know and control, to first develop and evolve other soul abilities and other soul events through which the soul is then enabled to carry itself alive into the spiritual world and in this way to receive something that can be called spiritual science. I have pointed out that it is first necessary to practise what is called thinking and what is called imagining in a very specific way, so that something arises out of ordinary thinking and out of ordinary imagining that is no longer the same as this ordinary thinking and imagining, but has become something different, which, above all, differs from ordinary thinking and imagining in that it experiences itself, comes to life, in order not just to rise up in images like this ordinary thinking, but to experience itself in reality. This transition of the soul's rising in images, as is the case with ordinary thinking in ordinary life and in ordinary science, this rising in images must be transformed into a living in real being. In this way, when one has attained this, one actually discovers something that the soul could not previously know, of which it could not even form a concept; for it cannot be grasped by any ordinary concepts, but must be directly experienced if it is to come to consciousness, even though it is continually present in every soul. As a result of this - I said the day before yesterday - the soul, through the strengthening of its power, through the intensification of its thinking, on the one hand, manages to lift itself out of the body, to become independent of the body and to experience itself in a reality, so that it knows: You have now stepped out of your body with your thinking.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"8. The Harmony Between Spiritual Science and Natural Science and the Misconceptions about the Former and the Building Dedicated to it in Dornach","site_heading":null,"date":"1916-01-14","location":null,"word_count":425,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/70b/1916-01-14/p005","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Ways to a Knowledge of the Eternal Forces of the Human Soul","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA070b/English/SOL2024/19160114p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Ich versuchte vorgestern zu zeigen, dass in der Tat der Geistesforscher zu der Überzeugung kommt, dass in die geistige Welt vonseiten der Menschenseele eingedrungen werden kann, dass aber diese Überzeugung sich so herausbildet, dass zugleich die Einsicht mit ihr verbunden ist, dass es nicht dieselben Seelenkräfte, dieselben Erkenntnisfähigkeiten sein können, die in die geistige Welt hineinführen, welche die menschliche Seele dahin bringen, in die Sinneswelt und alles dasjenige, was sinnlich zu ihr gehört, einzudringen; dass es vielmehr notwendig ist für den Geistesforscher, aus dem gewöhnlichen Denken, Fühlen und Wollen, wie sie das Alltagsleben und die gewöhnliche Wissenschaft kennen und beherrschen, erst etwas herauszubilden, heraus zu entwickeln an anderen Seelenfähigkeiten, an anderen Seelenereignissen, durch die dann die Seele befähigt wird, sich lebendig in die geistige Welt hineinzutragen, und auf diese Weise erwas zu erhalten, was man Geisteswissenschaft nennen kann. Ich habe darauf aufmerksam gemacht, dass es zunächst notwendig ist, dasjenige, was man Denken, was man Vorstellen nennt, in einer ganz bestimmten Art zu üben, sodass sich aus dem gewöhnlichen Denken, aus dem gewöhnlichen Vorstellen etwas ergibt, das nicht mehr einerlei ist mit diesem gewöhnlichen Denken und Vorstellen, sondern etwas anderes geworden ist, das vor allen Dingen dadurch sich unterscheidet von dem gewöhnlichen Denken und dem gewöhnlichen Vorstellen, dass es sich erlebt, erkraftet, um nun nicht bloß wie dieses gewöhnliche Denken in Bildern sich zu erheben, sondern in Realität sich zu erleben. Dieser Übergang von dem Sich-Erheben der Seele in den Bildern, wie das beim gewöhnlichen Denken im gewöhnlichen Leben und in der gewöhnlichen Wissenschaft der Fall ist, dieses Sich-Erheben in Bildern muss verwandelt werden in ein Sich-Erleben in realer Wesenheit. Damit entdeckt man in der Tat, wenn man ces erreicht hat, etwas, was die Seele vorher nicht kennen kann, wovon sie sich nicht einmal eine Vorstellung machen kann; denn es geht das in alle gewöhnlichen Vorstellungen nicht hinein, sondern muss eben unmittelbar erlebt werden, wenn es zum Bewusstsein kommen soll, trotzdem es fortwährend in jeder Seele vorhanden ist. 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