{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 70b/1916-01-14/p015","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"I would like to emphasize, dear attendees, that it is a perfectly possible view from the point of view of someone who is firmly grounded in natural science, if they do not know exactly the spiritual scientific methods. It is a perfectly possible view, which expresses itself in this way, and in particular it is a possible view when one then looks from the natural scientific point of view at the nature of the soul forces, which many who now also call themselves spiritual researchers have, and who possess the opposite of what can indeed be described as a healthy soul life. Now the natural scientist also repeatedly points out something to us that I would say is trivial, but which is no less striking when viewed from the perspective of the scientific way of thinking. It is striking when one wants to refute the observation of particular, completely free forces and experiences of the soul that go through births and deaths. The natural scientist says, precisely on the basis not of mere prejudice but on the basis of careful observations by physiological science, the natural scientist says: One can see how physical life develops slowly from childhood on, and how the development of soul life goes parallel with physical development. One really sees how closely bound the soul life is to the bodily life. One then sees how the body must have attained a certain formative maturity at a certain age in order for the soul life to develop in a way that can be described as normal. And again, one sees how, with the decline of physical strength in old age, with the demise of the organs, the spiritual-soul life recedes. And objections to an independent spiritual and mental life have repeatedly arisen in the course of the nineteenth century, which - I would say - were based on this ground.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"8. The Harmony Between Spiritual Science and Natural Science and the Misconceptions about the Former and the Building Dedicated to it in Dornach","site_heading":null,"date":"1916-01-14","location":null,"word_count":313,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/70b/1916-01-14/p015","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Ways to a Knowledge of the Eternal Forces of the Human Soul","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA070b/English/SOL2024/19160114p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Nun weist uns ja auch der Naturforscher immer wieder und wiederum auf etwas hin, was - ich möchte sagen - zwar trivial ist, was aber deshalb nicht minder im Grunde genommen vom Standpunkte der naturwissenschaftlichen Denkungsweise aus schlagend ist; schlagend ist, wenn man widerlegen will das Hinschauen auf besondere, voll leibfreie, durch Geburten und Tode gehende Kräfte und Erlebnisse der Seele. Da sagt der Naturforscher gerade auf Grundlage nicht von bloßen Vorurteilen, sondern auf Grundlage sorgfältiger Feststellungen der physiologischen Wissenschaft, da sagt der Naturforscher: Man sieht doch, wie sich langsam das körperliche Leben entwickelt von der Kindheit an, und wie mit der körperlichen Entwicklung parallel geht die Entwicklung des Seelenlebens. Wirklich sieht man da, wie eng gebunden das Seelenleben an das leibliche Leben ist. Man sieht dann, wie der Leib eine gewisse Gestaltungsreife in einem gewissen Alter angenommen haben muss, damit auch das Seelenleben etwas werde, das man als ein gewisses Normales bezeichnet. Und wiederum sieht man, wie mit dem Verfall der physischen Kräfte im Alter, mit dem Ableben der Organe das geistig-seelische Leben zurückgeht. Und immer wiederum sind im Laufe des neunzehnten Jahrhunderts Einwendungen gegen ein selbstständiges geistig-seelisches Leben aufgetreten, die - ich möchte sagen - auf diesem Boden standen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":287,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/70b/1916-01-14/p015"}],"english":["GA 70b/1916-01-14/p015"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":287,"en_words":313,"ratio":1.09,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.04,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":11706,"original_word_count":11292,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Ways to a Knowledge of the Eternal Forces of the Human Soul","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA070b/English/SOL2024/19160114p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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