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If you say that, then you are actually deluding yourself; for you do not know how much unconsciousness there is in the life of the soul, how much dependence there is in the life of the soul on mere – well, let us say, if we speak in terms of more recent natural science - nerve dispositions, bodily dispositions, and how much has entered into these nerve dispositions without the consciousness noticing, but which now comes up when - as the natural scientist might easily think - one maltreats one's thinking as described the day before yesterday. So that the natural scientist says: Yes, the spiritual scientist is deluding himself, he is creating a pure illusion. While he believes he is finding something that leads him out of his body, something that is independent of his body, he is only bringing unconscious dispositions, the numerous unconscious mental dispositions, into his consciousness, and he actually has only life and perception processes, and naively believes that by bringing up his unconscious soul life, he has something new that leads him out of the whole sensory world and into a spiritual world, while in truth he is only immersed in the bodily life that he has otherwise not known.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"8. The Harmony Between Spiritual Science and Natural Science and the Misconceptions about the Former and the Building Dedicated to it in Dornach","site_heading":null,"date":"1916-01-14","location":null,"word_count":263,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/70b/1916-01-14/p017","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Ways to a Knowledge of the Eternal Forces of the Human Soul","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA070b/English/SOL2024/19160114p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Während er glaubt, etwas zu finden, was ihn aus seinem Leibe herausführe, was unabhängig von seinem Leibe ist, bringt er nur die unbewussten Dispositionen, die zahlreichen unbewussten Vorstellungsdispositionen in sein Bewusstsein herauf, und er hat eigentlich nur Lebens-, Wahrnehmungsvorgänge, und glaubt in naiver Weise, dass er, indem er sein unbewusstes Seelenleben heraufholt, irgendetwas Neues habe, das ihn hinausführe aus der ganzen Sinneswelt und in eine geistige Welt führe, während er in Wahrheit nur untertaucht in das Leibesleben, das er sonst nicht gekannt hat.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":238,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/70b/1916-01-14/p017"}],"english":["GA 70b/1916-01-14/p017"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":238,"en_words":263,"ratio":1.11,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.04,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":11706,"original_word_count":11292,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Ways to a Knowledge of the Eternal Forces of the Human Soul","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA070b/English/SOL2024/19160114p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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