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And this must be emphasized, because the right method of spiritual research, as you will find it indicated in my book “How to Know Higher Worlds” or in the second part of my “Occult Science”, because this right method of spiritual research actually leads to the result that it does not present itself as a change in the ordinary life of the soul, but leads to the new life of the soul, which is now attained through the altered soul forces, taking its place beside the earlier life of the soul in such a way that both are embraced and comprehended by the full consciousness of the human being. Indeed, one could even say that an incomplete consciousness has been achieved in spiritual research if the ordinary consciousness merely changes, if it becomes different, so to speak. The right thing has been achieved when this ordinary consciousness in man remains in such a way that he now also develops the ordinary logic that he had developed before, that he is just as reasonable as he was before, that he further develops and oversees the same impulses of will as he actually is as a simple, straightforward, reasonable person in ordinary life; and in addition to that - but alongside it - has the consciousness through which he can see into the spiritual world. If you compare what is achieved through the correct methods of spiritual research with what arises from a morbid mental life, you can say to yourself: In the case of a diseased soul life, it can be seen everywhere that the abnormal state of consciousness takes the place of the normal one and develops out of it. You cannot imagine that a person who has become a little foolish can at the same time, while being foolish, understand and practise his normal human state. You cannot be insane and rational at the same time. That is the essential feature of the pathologically altered consciousness: it develops out of the ordinary normal state, and when the pathologically altered consciousness is there, the normal consciousness must have gone away. Of course, the normal state can return, naturally; but at the same time, in the trivial sense, they cannot be simultaneous. But the consciousness that the spiritual researcher develops in the way described the day before yesterday must be completely identical to the normal consciousness, so that the spiritual researcher is confronted with what he was before, just as the ordinary person is confronted with an external object; that is to say, what one is as an ordinary normal person, one sees through the attained consciousness of spiritual research as something that one can look at, just as one looks at an external object with ordinary sense consciousness. One has become an object to oneself with one's ordinary organization. But this object continues to function; it remains completely intact. [...] And anyone who applies the methods described in the books in the right way and right style will achieve nothing other than to do the same with the newly acquired consciousness.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"8. 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Und eben, weil man kennenlernt diesen Unterschied, so muss man für alles dasjenige, was nicht auf dem richtigen Wege der Entwicklung des Denkens aus der geistigen Welt heraus erforscht wird, dem Naturforscher im Grunde genommen recht geben. Sehr verehrte Anwesende, es gibt einen guten Unterschied zwischen demjenigen, was als krankhafte, als abnorme Bewusstseinsoffenbarung angesehen werden kann, und dem, was der wahre Geistesforscher erreicht, um in die geistige Welt hineinzukommen. Und dies muss scharf betont werden, weil die richtige Methode der Geistesforschung, wie Sie sie angedeutet finden in meinem Buche «Wie erlangt man Erkenntnisse der höheren Welten?» oder im zweiten Teil meiner «Geheimwissenschaft», weil diese richtige Methode der Geistesforschung in der Tat dazu führt, dass sie sich nicht wie eine Veränderung bloß des gewöhnlichen Seelenlebens darstellt, sondern sie führt dazu, dass das neue Seelenleben, das man jetzt mit den veränderten Seelenkräften erreicht, dass dieses neue Seelenleben sich neben das frühere Seelenleben so hinstellt, dass beide von dem vollen Bewusstsein des Menschen umspannt, überschaut werden. Ja, man kann sogar sagen: Es ist ein unrichtiges Bewusstsein erreicht in der Geistesforschung, wenn sich das gewöhnliche Bewusstsein nur verändert, wenn es gewissermaßen anders wird. Das Richtige ist erreicht, wenn dieses gewöhnliche Bewusstsein im Menschen so dastehen bleibt, dass er die gewöhnliche Logik, die er vorher entwickelt hat, jetzt auch entwickelt, dass er ebenso vernünftig ist wie früher, dass er dieselben Willensimpulse weiterentwickelt und überschaut, wie er eigentlich ist als einfacher, gerader, vernünftiger Mensch im gewöhnlichen Leben; und darüber hinaus - aber daneben - dasjenige Bewusstsein hat, durch das er in die geistige Welt hineinschauen kann. Vergleichen Sie das, was da durch die richtigen Methoden der Geistesforschung erreicht wird, mit dem, was sich als krankhaftes Seelenleben ergibt, so werden Sie sich sagen können: Beim krankhaften Seelenleben zeigt sich überall, dass der abnorme Bewusstseinszustand anstelle des normalen tritt, sich aus dem normalen herausbildet. Sie können sich nicht denken, dass ein etwas närrisch gewordener Mensch gleichzeitig, indem er närrisch ist, seinen normalen Menschheitszustand überschaut und auch übt. Man kann nicht zu gleicher Zeit wahnsinnig sein und zu gleicher Zeit vernünftig sein. Das ist das Wesentliche des krankhaft veränderten Bewusstseins: Es entwickelt sich das krankhaft veränderte Bewusstsein aus dem gewöhnlichen normalen Zustand heraus, und wenn das krankhaft veränderte Bewusstsein da ist, so muss das normale Bewusstsein weggegangen sein. Gewiss, es kann wieder der normale Zustand eintreten, selbstverständlich; aber gleichzeitig, im trivialen Sinne gleichzeitig können sie nicht sein. Dasjenige Bewusstsein aber, das der Geistesforscher auf die vorgestern geschilderte Weise entwickelt, muss völlig gleich sein dem normalen Bewusstsein, sodass der Geistesforscher dem, was er vorher ist, gegenübersteht, wie der gewöhnliche Mensch einem äußeren Gegenstand gegenübersteht; das heißt das, was man vorher als gewöhnlicher normaler Mensch ist, das sieht man durch das erlangte geistesforscherische Bewusstsein als etwas an, auf das man hinschauen kann, wie man mit dem gewöhnlichen Sinnesbewusstsein hinschaut auf einen äußeren Gegenstand. Man ist vollständig mit seiner gewöhnlichen Organisation sich Objekt geworden. Aber dieses Objekt, das funktioniert weiter fort; das bleibt vollständig intakt. [...] Und wer im rechten Sinne und rechten Stile diejenigen Methoden anwendet, die in den genannten Büchern verzeichnet sind, der wird zu nichts anderem kommen, als dass er also es mit dem neu erlangten Bewusstsein macht.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":539,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/70b/1916-01-14/p020"}],"english":["GA 70b/1916-01-14/p020"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":539,"en_words":586,"ratio":1.09,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.04,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":11706,"original_word_count":11292,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Ways to a Knowledge of the Eternal Forces of the Human Soul","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA070b/English/SOL2024/19160114p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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