{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 70b/1916-01-14/p022","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"So one can say: The objection from the point of view of the natural sciences, the objection of thorough, careful physiological science, that the consciousness of spiritual research could also be based only on illusions or the like, one can fully understand it. But it does not apply if the consciousness of spiritual research is developed in the right way. And here it will also be of particular advantage if the spiritual researcher is not, I might say, partly too proud or too lazy to get involved in what natural science now gives, not only in theories but also in practical instructions, in order not to lead the soul life into all kinds of extravagances. And one can even say: the more spirit-scientific education strives to apply the beautiful, the careful results of justified natural scientific practice, the better it will be for this spirit-scientific education. What spiritual research strives for - precisely because it strives into the realm where mere natural science can never enter - that which spiritual research will always carry with it will be: complete respect for the legitimate claims of natural science itself and of that which arises for life from natural science. That will have to be striven for between the two, which can be described as complete harmony. And for someone who, I might say, is familiar with the nature of the soul behavior in healthy natural science on the one hand and in healthy spiritual research on the other, it is only now that complete harmony is revealed. But he will also realize that, seen from one side or the other, objections and antagonism can arise in a completely understandable way. Opposition also arises from the side of one-sided spiritual science, which believes it can fight natural science without knowing its actual core. So, for example, one hears - of course I do not blame it when someone who knows the scientific methods speaks of an unjustified materialism - and knows how a one-sided criticism of spiritual science is directed from these scientific methods. And indeed, we see that many who want to be scholars of the humanities speak about the materialism of the natural sciences from one or other point of view, from a point of view that they consider “sublime”, and believe that, without knowing what the natural sciences achieve in terms of methods and intellectual discipline, they are hitting the nail on the head when they reproach materialism in some aspect of the natural sciences. Natural science has developed its methods over the centuries and has developed these methods by not exceeding its limits. 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The Harmony Between Spiritual Science and Natural Science and the Misconceptions about the Former and the Building Dedicated to it in Dornach","site_heading":null,"date":"1916-01-14","location":null,"word_count":446,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/70b/1916-01-14/p022","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:length","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Ways to a Knowledge of the Eternal Forces of the Human Soul","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA070b/English/SOL2024/19160114p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Und man kann sogar sagen: Je mehr geistesforscherische Erziehung anstrebt, die schönen, die sorgfältigen Ergebnisse der berechtigten naturwissenschaftlichen Praxis anzuwenden, desto besser wird es sein für diese geistesforscherische Erziehung. Dasjenige, was Geistesforschung anstrebt — gerade weil sie in das Gebiet hineinstrebt, in das die bloße Naturwissenschaft niemals hineinkommen kann -, dasjenige, was Geistesforschung immer bei sich führen wird, wird sein: vollständige Achtung der berechtigten Ansprüche der Naturwissenschaft selbst und desjenigen, was sich für das Leben aus der Naturwissenschaft heraus ergibt. Das wird angestrebt werden müssen zwischen den beiden, was man bezeichnen kann als eine vollständige Harmonie. Und für denjenigen, der - ich möchte sagen - die Art des seelischen Verhaltens in der gesunden Naturwissenschaft auf der einen Seite kennt und in der gesunden Geistesforschung auf der anderen Seite kennt, für den zeigt sich eben erst die völlige Harmonie. Aber er wird auch einsehen, dass von der einen oder von der anderen Seite aus gesehen, einerseits in ganz begreiflicher Weise Einwürfe und Gegnerschaften entstehen können. Gegnerschaften entstehen ja auch vonseiten der einseitigen Geisteswissenschaft aus, die da glaubt, die Naturwissenschaft bekämpfen zu können, ohne sie zu kennen in ihrem eigentlichen Grundnerv. So zum Beispiel hört man - selbstverständlich tadle ich es nicht, wenn derjenige von einem unberechtigten Materialismus spricht, der die naturwissenschaftlichen Methoden kennt — und weiß, wie aus diesen naturwissenschaftlichen Methoden wiederum eine einseitige Kritik gegen die Geisteswissenschaft hin sich richtet. Und man erlebt es ja auch, dass viele, die da Geisteswissenschafter sein wollen, von dem einen oder anderen Gesichtspunkte, von einem ihnen «erhaben» dünkenden Gesichtspunkte aus über den Materialismus der Naturwissenschaften sprechen und glauben, wenn sie ohne Kenntnis dessen, was die Naturwissenschaften an Methoden und an Geistesdisziplin leisten, mit dem Vorwurfe des Materialismus irgendetwas in der Naturwissenschaft zu treffen. Die Naturwissenschaft hat ihre Methoden im Laufe der Jahrhunderte ausgebildet und sie hat diese Methoden dadurch ausgebildet, dass sie nicht ihre Grenzen überschritten hat. Sie hat diese Methoden dadurch ausgebildet, dass sie sich streng an die materiellen Vorgänge gehalten hat.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":431,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/70b/1916-01-14/p022"}],"english":["GA 70b/1916-01-14/p022"],"method":"length","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":431,"en_words":446,"ratio":1.03,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.04,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":11706,"original_word_count":11292,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Ways to a Knowledge of the Eternal Forces of the Human Soul","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA070b/English/SOL2024/19160114p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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