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Neither should a spiritualist stop halfway, for then he only speaks eternally about spirit, and perhaps even despises matter. The important thing is not to talk about spirit, but to find the way from spirit to matter, to immerse oneself in matter, and to take the spirit with one into it. It is a fact that the spiritualists, who always chatter about spirit and have no idea of how to apply this spirit to our more immediate and useful life, are perhaps even more harmful than the materialists.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"I. 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Denn derjenige, der Materialist ist und mit dem vertieften Selbst an das äußere materielle Leben herandringt, der kommt, wenn er noch so grobe materielle Erscheinungen erforscht, von der Materie nach dem Geiste, weil aller Materie der Geist zugrunde liegt.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":101,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/71b/1918-04-24/p040"},{"locus":"GA 71b/1918-04-24/p041","passage_number":41,"text":"Gehen Sie aus von der Materie, aber bleiben Sie nicht auf halbem Wege stehen. Seien Sie meinetwillen noch so grober Materialist, aber bereit, Denken in dem Forschen anzuwenden - dann ist es schon recht. Und ebenso darf man nicht auf halbem Wege stehen bleiben wenn man Spiritualist ist, sonst wird man immer reden vom Geist, immer reden und reden vom Geist, vielleicht sogar die Materie verachten. Aber das, worauf es ankommt, ist nicht von Geist, Geist, Geist zu reden, sondern vom Geist den Weg zu finden ins materielle Leben hinein, wiederum unterzutauchen in das materielle Leben, und den Geist gerade hineinzutragen in das materielle Leben.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":105,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/71b/1918-04-24/p041"},{"locus":"GA 71b/1918-04-24/p042","passage_number":42,"text":"Morgen werde ich davon noch ausführlicher sprechen, um zu zeigen, wie die Spiritualisten, die immer Geist, Geist rufen und keinen Sinn dafür haben, mit diesem Geist in das wirkliche, nützliche, dem Menschen naheliegende Leben unterzutauchen, womöglich noch schädlicher sind als die Materialisten. Darauf kommt es nicht an, ob man von der Materie oder vom Geiste ausgeht, sondern darauf kommt es an, dass man mit seinen Forschungen zu Ende kommt. Aber in einer gewissen Weise kommt man gerade auf dem heutigen naturwissenschaftlichen Wege mit seinen Forschungen nicht zu Ende. Man kann nicht, obwohl man fast einzig und allein auf das Materielle auch beim Menschen ausgeht in der heutigen Physiologie, in der heutigen Biologie, mit den Methoden der heutigen Naturwissenschaft - nicht mit den Tatsachen, sondern mit der Denkweise, mit der Methode -, hinter die eigentlichen Geheimnisse zum Beispiel der Menschheitsentwicklung kommen. 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