{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 73/1918-10-08/p009-p020","extent":"range","passage_number":9,"through":20,"paragraph_count":12,"first_locus":"GA 73/1918-10-08/p009","last_locus":"GA 73/1918-10-08/p020","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"title":"V. 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If you enter closely into the living inner experiences which the observation of nature engenders in the human being, and the simple demands it makes, you will find that on the one hand it makes good sense to talk about limits set to all insight into nature, whilst on the other hand it loses itself completely in misunderstandings. If we approach modern scientific thinking in a non-theoretical way, not with a belief in specific dogmas but in a state of soul that is really sound, if we come alive in our scientific thinking as we observe nature, with direct perception of natural phenomena and objects, we will realize that this modern science, and indeed any insight into nature, must come up against particular limits. The question merely is if these limits to scientific insights are also limits to human knowledge and insight altogether. 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Having set this task for myself, as I said, I must also specifically consider the questions as to the limits of scientific knowledge that arise in direct living experience when working with natural science, doing so in a seemingly abstract way.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":96,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/73/1918-10-08/p010","german_anchor":{"de_prefix":"1918-10-08","de_passages":[{"locus":"GA 73/1918-10-08/p009","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/73/1918-10-08/p009"}],"bead_confidence":"high","pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false,"length_check":{"de_words":83,"en_words":96,"ratio":1.16,"partial":false},"correspondence":"established","note":"English passage numbering is edition-relative, so the same number need not name the same paragraph in the German. 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We need take only two ideas, for instance—the idea of energy and the idea of matter. We look in vain for clear mathematical concepts concerning the nature of energy and above all also of matter if we base ourselves strictly on observation of the natural world. When we come up against obstacles such as energy and matter, for instance, as we study and observe nature, we get the impression—though in a somewhat different way, in fact a radically different way from that of Kantianism—that such obstacles are met due to our human nature itself. We feel inclined not to investigate the world outside but above all to ask, with regard to these questions: How is the human being constituted? 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With immediate observation in the soul we can perceive that the powers that do not allow us to penetrate energy and matter are powers that give us human beings the capacity to love others in the world.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":75,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/73/1918-10-08/p014","german_anchor":{"de_prefix":"1918-10-08","de_passages":[{"locus":"GA 73/1918-10-08/p011","url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/73/1918-10-08/p011"}],"bead_confidence":"high","pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false,"length_check":{"de_words":75,"en_words":75,"ratio":1.0,"partial":false},"correspondence":"established","note":"English passage numbering is edition-relative, so the same number need not name the same paragraph in the German. 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Entering wholly into our own inner life in the mystic way we find that certain powers strike back, I would say. We cannot go down. And someone who pursues observation in the psyche as seriously as one does in the science of the spirit of which we are speaking will be more critical in his approach than is the ordinary mystic. An ordinary mystic will very often believe that when he goes down into the depths of the soul he will find something that shines into those depths from a higher world, just like that, as one follows the way of ordinary mystic clairvoyance. A spiritual investigator who has developed a critical approach will know how memories, events that we recall, are always transformed in the ordinary life of the mind, and that these things are active and alive. People think that this element which bubbles up from remembrance of events is something that is not our own, something that takes us into a higher world as we pursue the mystic way. 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One finds that if we were able to gain such insight with this approach, if ordinary mysticism was not almost always delusion, if we were to find our own eternal nature by using the approach of ordinary mysticism, we would not have the human capacity for remembering things. The element in us which enables us to remember things, something with a certain power of striking back in us which holds the memories of past events, prevents us from penetrating to those depths with the powers of a mystic. 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Wer sich intim einläßt auf dasjenige, was die Naturbeobachtung im Menschen an Erlebnissen erzeugt, was sie an einfachen Forderungen stellt, der wird merken, daß das Reden über gewisse Grenzen, welche alle Naturerkenntnis hat, in gewissem Sinne einen guten Sinn hat, auf der anderen Seite aber völlig in Mißverständnisse hinein sich verirrt. Wenn man nicht theoretisch, nicht in dem Glauben an gewisse naturwissenschaftliche Dogmen, sondern mit gesunder Seelenverfassung an das naturwissenschaftliche Denken herangeht, wenn man erlebt mit dem naturwissenschaftlichen Denken an der Naturbeobachtung, an dem unmittelbaren Wahrnehmen der Naturerscheinungen und Naturdinge, dann wird einem klar, daß diese Naturwissenschaft als solche, überhaupt alle Naturerkenntnis, an gewisse Grenzen gelangen muß. Und die Frage entsteht nur, ob diese Grenzen naturwissenschaftlichen Erkennens Grenzen des menschlichen Erkennens überhaupt sind. Wer in diesem Punkte nicht richtig versteht, der wird alle möglichen Einwände gerade gegen Geistesforschung erheben können.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":174,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/73/1918-10-08/p008"},{"locus":"GA 73/1918-10-08/p009","passage_number":9,"text":"Da ich mir die Aufgabe stellen möchte, heute zu zeigen, daß diese Geistesforschung durchaus, obzwar sie die Begründung einer populären Weltanschauung für alle Menschen jedes Bildungsstandes sein will, doch sich auseinanderzusetzen hatte, ehe sie sich begründet hat, mit allen philosophischen und wissenschaftlichen menschlichen Grenzfragen im ernsten Wissen — da ich mir diese Aufgabe stellen will, so muß ich eben schon, wie ich gesagt habe, in scheinbar abstrakter Form gerade auch auf solche Grenzfragen des naturwissenschaftlichen Erkenntnis im unmittelbaren Erleben mit der Naturwissenschaft eintreten.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":83,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/73/1918-10-08/p009"},{"locus":"GA 73/1918-10-08/p010","passage_number":10,"text":"Man kommt, wenn man die Natur beobachtet, zu gewissen Annahmen, welche Vorstellungen hervorrufen, bei denen man sagen muß: Hier sind die Eckpfeiler naturwissenschaftlicher Forschung; hier kommt man nicht weiter, hier kann man nicht mit dem Denken restlos in die Erscheinungen untertauchen, hier bleibt irgend etwas unbestimmt, hier sind eben Erkenntnisgrenzen. Nun könnte ich viele solche naturwissenschaftliche Begriffe anführen, welche Erkenntnisgrenzen darstellen; aber man braucht ja nur an die populärsten, ich möchte sagen, an die trivialsten naturwissenschaftlichen Vorstellungen heranzugehen und man wird finden: sie sind gleichsam zu dicht, als daß menschliches Erkennen unmittelbar in das, was vorliegt, eindringen kann. Man braucht sich nur zum Beispiel an zwei Vorstellungen zu wenden, an die Vorstellung der Kraft und an die Vorstellung des Stoffes. Mathematische Klarheit über das Wesen der Kraft und namentlich des Stoffes wird man vergeblich suchen, wenn man streng auf dem Boden gerade der Naturbeobachtung stehenbleiben will. Und man bekommt - allerdings in etwas anderer Weise, eigentlich in radikal anderer Weise als durch den Kantianismus, wenn man erlebt, wie man sich gleichsam stößt an solchen Hindernissen, wie Kraft und Stoff, wenn man naturwissenschaftlich forscht und beobachtet -, man bekommt den Eindruck, wie dieses Stoßen an dem Menschen selbst liegt. Man bekommt den Antrieb, nicht außen in der Welt zu forschen, sondern gegenüber diesen Fragen vor allen Dingen zu fragen: Wie ist der Mensch eingerichtet? Wie liegt es an dem Menschen selbst, daß er sich an solchen Hindernissen mit seiner Naturbeobachtung stoßen muß? Und man untersucht dann — wie gesagt, ich charakterisiere den Weg der Beweiskraft -, was es eigentlich in der menschlichen Seele ist, was verursacht, daß wir an solche Grenzen kommen; und man findet, daß allerdings gewisse Seelenkräfte da sind, die uns verhindern, mit dem denkenden Erkennen zum Beispiel in Kraft und Stoff unterzutauchen. In dem Augenblicke, wo wir wirklich untertauchen wollen, verhindert uns unsere eigene Seelenverfassung, das Denken restlos anzuwenden. Wir können nicht das nach Naturgesetzen drängende Denken restlos anwenden. Wir müssen übergehen dazu, so etwas wie Kraft und Stoff durch andere Seelenkräfte aufzunehmen, uns mit ihnen zu vereinigen. Wir müssen es übergehen lassen in Empfindungen, in Anschauungen, in dasjenige, was sehr mit dem Fühlen verwandt ist, das von dem Denken in unmittelbarem Gedankenlichte nicht mehr zu erreichen ist. Und wir fühlen dann in unmittelbarem Erleben, daß dieser Übergang von dem Denken zum dunklen Fühlen unsere Grenzen im naturwissenschaftlichen Vorstellen bestimmt. Und dann frägt man sich: Was haben wir als Menschen, die gesund leben wollen im äußeren Dasein zwischen Geburt und Tod, was haben wir von denjenigen Seelenkräften, die uns so hindern, jenseits der naturwissenschaftlichen Grenzen hinzukommen?","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":428,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/73/1918-10-08/p010"},{"locus":"GA 73/1918-10-08/p011","passage_number":11,"text":"Indem wir den Charakter dieser Seelenkräfte untersuchen, die uns so hindern, haben wir dann den Eindruck, daß es sehr wichtige, bedeutungsvolle Seelenkräfte sind. Wirkönnen uns fragen in innerer Seelenbeobachtung, zu der wir uns gewöhnt haben müssen, wenn wir Geistesforscher werden wollen, wir können erkennen in unmittelbarer Seelenbeobachtung, wie dieselben Kräfte, die uns nicht eindringen lassen in Kraft und Stoff, die Kräfte sind, die uns als Menschen befähigen der Liebe zu anderen Wesen in der Welt.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":75,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/73/1918-10-08/p011"},{"locus":"GA 73/1918-10-08/p012","passage_number":12,"text":"Untersuchen wir das Wesen der Liebe. Versuchen wir einzudringen in unsere Seelenverfassung, um diejenigen Kräfte kennenzulernen, die uns liebefähig machen: Wir finden, es sind dieselben Kräfte, die uns nicht untertauchen lassen mit dem kalten Erkennen, mit dem bloßen Denken in solche Eckpfeiler naturwissenschaftlicher Erkenntnis wie Kraft und Stoff oder vieler ähnlicher Dinge. Wir müßten als Menschen ganz anders organisiert sein, als wir sind, wir müßten als Menschen ungeeignet sein, auf unserem Lebenswege Liebe zu anderen Menschen zu entwickeln, Liebe zu anderen Wesen zu entfalten, wenn wir nicht an naturwissenschaftliche Grenzen kommen könnten. An der Liebefähigkeit liegt es, daß wir zu naturwissenschaftlichen Grenzen kommen müssen. Das geht in unmittelbarem Erleben mit der Naturwissenschaft dem Erkenner auf.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":115,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/73/1918-10-08/p012"},{"locus":"GA 73/1918-10-08/p013","passage_number":13,"text":"Dann allerdings ergibt sich eine andere Erkenntnistheorie, eine viel lebensvollere Erkenntnistheorie als die abstrakte Kantische. Dann sieht man, wenn man das durchschaut hat, in einer ganz anderen Weise auf die Welt und die menschliche Naturerkenntnis hin als früher. Dann sagt man sich: Was würde aus den Menschen werden, wenn sie nicht naturwissenschaftliche Grenzen hätten? Es würden kalte, lieblose Menschen sein! Das ist das erste Erlebnis, welches der Geistesforscher haben muß.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":70,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/73/1918-10-08/p013"},{"locus":"GA 73/1918-10-08/p014","passage_number":14,"text":"Das zweite Erlebnis ist dasjenige, das er haben muß mit der Mystik. So wie er sich auf der einen Seite an die Naturwissenschaft wendet, um gerade im rechten Sinne Naturwissenschaft und Naturbeobachtung zu treiben und dadurch erkennt, warum diese Naturbeobachtung Grenzen hat, so wendet er sich nach der anderen Seite hin an die Mystik, um nicht über sie abzusprechen aus Vorurteilen heraus, sondern um ein Erlebnis an ihr zu haben, um sich wirklich lebensvoll fragen zu können: Ist durch Mystik vielleicht möglich, dasjenige zu erringen, was auf naturwissenschaftlichem Wege nicht zu erringen ist: ein Erringen derjenigen Sphäre, die jenseits der Grenze der Sinnesbeobachtungen liegt? Kann man durch Untertauchen in das eigene Selbst - dies ist ja der Weg der Mystik — den Rätseln des übersinnlichen Daseins näherkommen?","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":127,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/73/1918-10-08/p014"},{"locus":"GA 73/1918-10-08/p015","passage_number":15,"text":"Und auch da entdeckt der Geistesforscher, daß sich eine bedeutsame menschliche Erkenntnisgrenze ergibt. Gewiß, der mystische Weg, der den Menschen hinunterführen soil in die Untergründe der Seele, bietet innere Seligkeiten; er bietet auch etwas wie eine Aussicht, sich zu vereinigen mit den geistigen Weltenkräften des Daseins. Allein der Geistesforscher muß vorurteilslos die mystischen Erlebnisse verfolgen, und gerade dann findet er, daß sein Weg der Weg gewöhnlicher Mystik nicht sein kann; denn diese Mystik kann vor allen Dingen nicht über das Wesen des Menschen selbst aufklären. Warum nicht? Man findet wiederum, indem man mystisch untertaucht in das eigene Innere, gewisse, ich möchte sagen Rückschlagekräfte. Man kann nicht hinunter. Und derjenige, der so ernst, wie es die hier gemeinte Geistesforschung will, Seelenbeobachtung treibt, der wird kritischer, als es der gewöhnliche Mystiker ist. Der gewöhnliche Mystiker glaubt sehr oft, wenn er untertaucht in die Untergründe seiner Seele, da fände er irgend etwas, was aus einer höheren Welt in diese Untergründe der Seele hineinleuchte, so ohne weiteres auf dem Wege des gewöhnlichen mystischen Hellsehens. Der Geistesforscher, der sich Kritik angeeignet hat, weiß, wie eigentlich für das gewöhnliche Bewußtseinsleben dasjenige verwandelt wird, was schon in der Seele an Erinnerungen, an Reminiszenzen von Erlebnissen vorhanden ist, wie dasjenige, was so vorhanden ist, wirkt und webt. Man glaubt, daß dieses, was im Grunde aus verborgenen, unterbewußten Erinnerungen herauskommt, was aus Erlebnisreminiszenzen heraufsprudelt, wie das etwas Fremdes ist, das uns auf dem Wege der Mystik in eine höhere Welt hineinführt. Man lernt gerade durch Geistesforschung fein erkennen, wie man im Grunde nichts anderes findet, wenn man da hinuntertaucht, als sein eigenes Leben und Weben. Dieses Leben und Weben muß allerdings vielfach verändert werden. Dadurch erkennt man nicht wieder, was man vor Jahren erlebt hat. Es tritt in anderer Form auf. Man hält es für ein ursprüngliches Erlebnis. Die Täuschungsquellen auf diesem Gebiete sind ungeheure.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":306,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/73/1918-10-08/p015"},{"locus":"GA 73/1918-10-08/p016","passage_number":16,"text":"Für den wahren Geistesforscher ergibt die Untersuchung dieses Weges, daß er innerhalb des mystischen Weges ebenso Grenzen anerkennt wie innerhalb des naturwissenschaftlichen Weges. Und wiederum frägt er sich: Was hindert uns, hinunterzusteigen in die eigenen Seelengründe, so daß wir uns selbst nicht erkennen können auf einem mystischen Wege? — Und man findet, daß, könnten wir uns erkennen auf mystischem Wege, wäre nicht die gewöhnliche Mystik fast immer Täuschung, fänden wir das ewige Wesen von uns selbst auf dem Wege dieser gewöhnlichen Mystik, dann könnten wir als Menschen keine erinnerungsfähigen Wesen sein. Dasselbe in uns, was uns zu erinnerungsfähigen Wesen macht, dasselbe in uns, was enthält durch eine gewisse Rückschlagekraft dasjenige, was wir erlebt haben, das hindert uns, mit der mystischen Kraft in jene Tiefen hinunterzudringen. Weil wir, wenn wir ein gesundes Leben hier auf dieser Erde zwischen Geburt und Tod führen wollen, die Erinnerungsfähigkeit brauchen, deshalb kann Mystik als Selbsterkenntnis nicht ein wahrer Forschungsweg sein.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":155,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/73/1918-10-08/p016"},{"locus":"GA 73/1918-10-08/p017","passage_number":17,"text":"So muß der Geistesforscher innerhalb der Mystik die Grenzen finden, die an demselben Orte gegeben sind, aus dem die Erinnerungsfähigkeit des Menschen quillt. 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