{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 75/1921-06-04_02/p013","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Now, I would like to draw the attention of those present to what one learns in this way when mathematizing, that is, when forming algebraic or other formulas or geometric structures. I would like to point out that it is indeed possible for a person to observe themselves, as it were, by looking backwards, to see how they behave in this mathematization, how they come to an initially formal certainty in this mathematization, an certainty of the inner truth of these formulas and structures. He can do this on the one hand, and in doing so he gains a kind of insight into the psychological process that takes place when he mathematizes. Certainly, in the emergence of natural science, one has, I would say, been satisfied with the application of the mathematical. One has paid little attention to this psychological process. But if we want to get to nature, if we want to progress from mere scientific research, then it will be necessary to take a really close look at the processes that actually take place in the soul, at what takes place when we develop the mathematical. Because why? When we consider the process that takes place in observation or in controlled experimental observation, when we penetrate the external world with mathematics by observing this process of scientific research, so to speak, observing this scientific research process in one's own personality, one comes to not only conduct scientific research, but also to be able to educate oneself in a conscious way to that kind of grasping of truth that can be grasped through such research. Now, my dear audience, you see, what can truly be called Anthroposophy, as it is meant here, has its origin in such studies - first of all in such a scientific method of research and in such a view of the researcher's activity, the inner researcher's activity. And all that presents itself as Anthroposophy should be measured against this view, this inner view. I freely admit, ladies and gentlemen, that there is an original sense of truth in man, so that numerous personalities, when they hear about the results that appear in the field of Anthroposophy, are inwardly convinced to a certain extent. But, however true it may be that this feeling of truth is based on a certain elementary sense of truth, it is equally true that only those who have undergone the training and self-observation that I have just mentioned, based on natural scientific research, are capable of forming a judgment and, if I may use the term, of “research” in the field of anthroposophy. It is so easy, because of the attractiveness of the anthroposophical results, to lapse into a kind of amateurism that in turn attracts amateurs. But this dilettantism is not at all to be found at the origin of that which, as Anthroposophy, is to present itself to the world today. On the contrary, Anthroposophy seeks to keep every trace of dilettantism out of it, and to be able to give account, so to speak, to the strictest scientific mind of the present time, of its results, and especially of the way in which it has arrived at them. That is why I do not call what occurs in anthroposophy just any kind of religious belief, but something that can stand alongside contemporary science and permeate it. The spirit that has been trained in what is demanded by science today, which underlies today's recognized science, is the same scientific spirit that underlies anthroposophy.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"3. 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Ich möchte hinweisen darauf, daß es ja dem Menschen durchaus möglich ist, gewissermaßen mit nach rückwärts gerichtetem Blicke sich selber zu beobachten, wie er sich verhält in diesem Mathematisieren, wie er in diesem Mathematisieren zu einer zunächst allerdings formellen Gewißheit kommt von der inneren Wahrheit dieser Formeln und Gebilde. Das kann er auf der einen Seite tun, und er gelangt dadurch zu einer Art von Einsicht in jenen psychologischen Prozeß, der sich da abspielt, indem man mathematisiert. Gewiß, in dem Heraufkommen der Naturwissenschaft hat man sich, ich möchte sagen zufriedengegeben mit der Anwendung des Mathematischen. Man hat wenig hingeschaut auf diesen psychologischen Prozeß. Aber gerade wenn man zur Natur kommen will, wenn man nun weiterkommen will vom bloßen naturwissenschaftlichen Forschen aus, so wird es schon notwendig sein, wirklich streng hinzuschauen auf die eigentlich in der Seele vorgehenden Prozesse, auf das, was vorgeht, indem man das Mathematische ausbildet. Denn warum? Wenn man wiederum denjenigen Prozeß betrachtet, der sich abspielt in der Beobachtung oder in der geregelten experimentierenden Beobachtung, wenn man mit dem Mathematischen das Äußere durchdringt dadurch, daß man diesen naturwissenschaftlichen Forschungsprozeß sozusagen an der eigenen Persönlichkeit beobachtet, kommt man dazu, nicht nur naturwissenschaftlich zu forschen, sondern sich auch in bewußter Weise erziehen zu können zu jener Art, die Wahrheit zu ergreifen, wie sie eben ergriffen werden kann durch solches Forschen. Nun, meine sehr verehrten Anwesenden, sehen Sie, von solchen Studien - zuerst von einer solchen naturwissenschaftlichen Forschungsweise und von einer solchen Anschauung der Forschertätigkeit, der inneren Forschertätigkeit — ist im Grunde genommen dasjenige ausgegangen, was in Wahrheit Anthroposophie, wie sie hier gemeint ist, genannt werden kann. Und an dieser Anschauung, dieser inneren Anschauung, soll auch all das gemessen werden, was als Anthroposophie auftritt. Ich gestehe es frei und offen, meine sehr verehrten Anwesenden: Es liegt im Menschen ein ursprüngliches Wahrheitsgefühl, so daß zahlreiche Persönlichkeiten, die, wenn sie von dem hören, was auf dem Gebiete der Anthroposophie als Ergebnis auftritt, bis zu einem gewissen Grade innerlich überzeugt werden. Allein, so wahr dies geschieht durch ein gewisses elementares Wahrheitsgefühl, so wahr ist es doch auf der anderen Seite, daß urteilsfähig und - wenn ich das Wort bilden darf - «forschungsfähig» auf anthroposophischem Gebiete nur derjenige ist, der die eben angedeutete Schulung und Selbstbeobachtung aus naturwissenschaftlichem Forschen heraus durchgemacht hat. Es ist ja so leicht, durch das Ansprechende der anthroposophischen Resultate in einen gewissen Dilettantismus zu verfallen, der wiederum Dilettanten anzieht. Allein, dieser Dilettantismus liegt eben durchaus nicht am Ursprunge desjenigen, was als Anthroposophie ja in der Gegenwart vor die Welt hintreten soll, sondern diese Anthroposophie sieht darauf, daß ihr jeder Dilettantismus durchaus fernbleibt und daß sie gewissermaßen über ihre Ergebnisse, namentlich über die Art, wie sie zu ihren Ergebnissen gelangt, vor der strengsten wissenschaftlichen Gesinnung der heutigen Zeit Rechenschaft ablegen kann. Deshalb nenne ich das, was in der Anthroposophie auftritt, zunächst nicht irgendeinen Glaubensinhalt, sondern etwas, was sich durchaus neben die Wissenschaft der Gegenwart - und diese durchdringend - hinstellen kann. Der Geist, der sich geschult hat an dem, was man heute von der Wissenschaft fordert, der der heute anerkannten Wissenschaft zugrunde liegt, ist derselbe wissenschaftliche Geist, der auch der Anthroposophie zugrunde liegt.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":552,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/75/1921-06-04_02/p013"}],"english":["GA 75/1921-06-04_02/p013"],"method":"identity","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":552,"en_words":585,"ratio":1.06,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","meaning","audit"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.02,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":9053,"original_word_count":8874,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"The Relationship between Anthroposophy and the Natural Sciences","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA075/English/SOL2024/19210604a01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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