{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 75/1921-06-04_02/p019","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Anyone who reads this first volume of Brentano's psychology without prejudice will understand, I would say from the way in which this psychology is presented, why such a continuation has not been published. In this first volume, Franz Brentano frankly and freely states that if one were to stop at where he stopped, one would first have to admit to oneself that one actually knows nothing. If you look at the connection of ideas and their relationship to memory, the socialization of ideas, as it is usually called, and so on, if you apply the purely scientific method to that, then that is no substitute for the kind of psychology that Plato and Aristotle had hoped for. It would not be a substitute for a psychology that can also deal with what can be described as the eternal in man, or – as Franz Brentano puts it – that can deal with the part of man that remains when the temporal life falls away from him as a body. Franz Brentano wanted to solve this problem, which in the popular sense could be called the problem of immortality, in a scientific-psychological sense. He wrestled with it. I would like to make it clear that he did not want to enter the field that I have to refer to here as anthroposophy; it did not seem scientific enough to him. But because he was an honest researcher, he simply could not continue writing. Combining honesty in the field of the doctrine of the soul with a scientific spirit of research is only possible if one is able to develop that continuation of scientific thinking along the way, which is precisely what anthroposophical spiritual science demands.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"3. 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Wenn man das Verbinden der Vorstellungen betrachtet und ihre Beziehungen zum Gedächtnis, die Vergesellschaftung der Vorstellungen, wie man das gewöhnlich nennt und so weiter, wenn man darauf die bloß naturwissenschaftlichen Methode anwendet, dann ist das kein Ersatz für eine solche Psychologie, wie sie Plato und Aristoteles sich erhofft hatten. Das wäre kein Ersatz für eine Psychologie, die sich auch befassen kann mit dem, was im Menschen als das Ewige zu bezeichnen ist, oder - wie sich Franz Brentano ausdrückt — die sich befassen kann mit dem vom Menschen, was bleibt, wenn das zeitliche Leben als Leib von ihm abfällt. Franz Brentano wollte dieses Problem, welches man im populären Sinne das Unsterblichkeitsproblem nennen kann, im naturwissenschaftlich-psychologischen Sinne lösen. Darum hat er gerungen. Er wollte - das möchte ich bestimmt sagen — nicht in jenes Gebiet eintreten, das ich hier als Anthroposophie bezeichnen muß; das erschien ihm nicht wissenschaftlich genug. Daher konnte er aber auch, weil er ein ehrlicher Forscher war, einfach nicht weiterschreiben. Ehrlichkeit auf dem Gebiet der Seelenlehre zu verbinden mit wissenschaftlichem Forschergeiste ist nur möglich, wenn man in der Lage ist, auf dem Wege jene Fortsetzung des naturwissenschaftlichen Denkens zu entwickeln, welches eben die anthroposophische Geisteswissenschaft fordert.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":259,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/75/1921-06-04_02/p019"}],"english":["GA 75/1921-06-04_02/p019"],"method":"identity","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":259,"en_words":284,"ratio":1.1,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","meaning","anchors","audit"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.02,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":9053,"original_word_count":8874,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"The Relationship between Anthroposophy and the Natural Sciences","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA075/English/SOL2024/19210604a01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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