{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 75/1921-06-04_02/p038","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Let us ask ourselves: How does imagined thinking move? As I said, we first have the experience of being connected to the outside world; we live ourselves into some event in the outside world with our whole being. This speaks to our will impulses, or rather, it speaks to our feelings; it also speaks to our thoughts. We live in it with our whole being. We may even make a physical effort in having the experience. In short, we live in it with our whole being. In this way, this soul, in having our ideas, plunges down into the depths, and in the image we can bring it up again. We can say: in ordinary experience, we proceed from the external experience to ordinary memory in that the external images undergo a certain inner metamorphosis. In meditation, which is available in anthroposophical research, we go the other way. We first learn to have an image that is not allowed to link to an external experience, not to subconscious reminiscences, and learn to progress — now not to an external experience, but to a supersensible experience, also to those experiences that lie before our birth or before our conception. In this way we get to know the pre-existence of the soul, the spiritual being of the soul, in a way that we otherwise only get to know what external experiences have brought us up to a certain point in our childhood. It is the reverse experience, but one that leads us to spiritual experience, where we start from the image and ascend to the experience. And if at the same time we practise a certain self-discipline, namely a self-discipline that increasingly leads us to act out of what we know in ordinary life as the feeling of love, then we learn to recognize objectively where we can develop our activity in love from the tasks that the outer world gives us. If we get to know this life in the outer world, then after much practice, the progression from image to reality will gradually be such that we progress from the imaginative consciousness through the inspired to the intuitive consciousness. This means that we learn to stand within the inner objectivity, within the inner necessity of the spiritual world.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"3. 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Kurz, mit dem ganzen Menschen leben wir darinnen. Dadurch taucht diese Seele, indem wir unsere Vorstellungen haben, in die Tiefe hinunter, und im Bilde können wir es wiederum hervorholen. Wir können sagen: Im gewöhnlichen Erleben schreiten wir vor vom äußeren Erlebnis zum gewöhnlichen Gedächtnis dadurch, daß die äußeren Bilder eine gewisse innere Metamorphose durchmachen. Im Meditieren, welches in anthroposophischer Forschung vorliegt, gehen wir den umgekehrten Weg. Wir lernen zuerst das Bild haben, das nicht an ein äußeres Erlebnis, nicht an unterbewußte Reminiszenzen anknüpfen darf, und lernen fortschreiten — jetzt nicht zu einem äußeren Erlebnis, sondern zu einem übersinnlichen Erlebnis, auch zu denjenigen Erlebnissen, die da liegen vor unserer Geburt beziehungsweise vor unserer Empfängnis. Wir lernen auf diese Weise die Präexistenz der Seele, das geistige Sein der Seele, kennen, wie wir sonst nur das kennenlernen, was uns die äußeren Erlebnisse gebracht haben bis zu einem gewissen Punkte in unserer Kindheit. Es ist das umgekehrte Erlebnis, das uns aber zu geistigem Erleben führt, wo wir vom Bilde ausgehen und zu dem Erlebnis aufsteigen. Und wenn wir zu gleicher Zeit eine gewisse Selbstzucht üben, namentlich eine solche Selbstzucht, die immer mehr und mehr sich hineinlebt in äußeres Handeln aus dem heraus, was wir im gewöhnlichen Leben als das Liebesgefühl kennen, dann lernen wir in objektiver Weise erkennen, wo wir aus den Aufgaben, die uns die Außenwelt gibt, in Liebe unsere Tätigkeit entwickeln können. Lernen wir dieses Leben kennen in der Außenwelt, dann wird auch das Fortschreiten vom Bild zur Wirklichkeit nach langer Übung allmählich so sein, daß wir von dem imaginativen durch das inspirierte zu dem intuitiven Bewußtsein vorschreiten, das heißt wir lernen, in der inneren Objektivität, in der inneren Notwendigkeit der geistigen Welt drinnenstehen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":358,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/75/1921-06-04_02/p038"}],"english":["GA 75/1921-06-04_02/p038"],"method":"identity","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":358,"en_words":378,"ratio":1.06,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","meaning","audit"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.02,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":9053,"original_word_count":8874,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"The Relationship between Anthroposophy and the Natural Sciences","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA075/English/SOL2024/19210604a01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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