{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 80b/1921-01-28/p069","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"But, my dear audience, the different times need such views on all the things of the world, arising out of their spiritual needs, as they arise out of the age. Therefore, I may tell it again and again: I once spoke on the subject of “Bible and Wisdom” in a southern German city that is no longer in southern Germany today. There were also two Catholic theologians at this lecture. It was precisely in this lecture not just something that they could somehow dispute. They came to me and said: “Well, what you said - we could indeed subscribe to it, but the way you say it, we cannot admit it. Because it is not for all people, it is for some prepared people. But we speak for all people.” At the time, I could only say: Reverend, it goes without saying that you think you speak for all people. That corresponds to the natural feeling that we must have as human beings. But through that which is spiritual science, one gradually works one's way through to a different point of view. One comes away from oneself. You no longer believe that you can shape things the way you want to shape them within your environment. You learn to look at what time demands, what objective facts demand. And now I ask you what the objective facts demand, how you treat it. It remains the case that you believe you speak for all people, but that does not decide anything. The only thing that matters is whether all people still go to your sermons. And you see, you cannot answer “yes” there. Among those who do not go to church, there are also those who seek the path elsewhere. I am not speaking to those who go to church with you, but to those who also want to find the path to Christianity and who do not go to you. This is clear from the facts. But the fact that we have religious education in the Waldorf School given to the children by the respective pastors under the given circumstances, and that we have set up religious education only for those who would otherwise have no religious education, proves that this is not something that detracts from religion. So we are not harming anyone [by doing what is desired under the circumstances, but on the contrary, we are imparting something to the 'dissident children' that can lead them to a genuine religious experience] while they would otherwise hear nothing of a religious nature in the best years of their development.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"2. 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Denn das ist nicht für alle Menschen, das ist für einige vorbereitete Menschen. Wir aber sprechen für alle Menschen.» Ich konnte dazumal nur sagen: Hochwürden, dass Sie meinen, Sie sprechen für alle Menschen, das ist selbstverständlich. Das entspricht demjenigen natürlichen Gefühl, das wir eben als Menschen haben müssen. Aber durch dasjenige, was Geisteswissenschaft ist, arbeitet man sich allmählich zu einem anderen Standpunkte durch. Man kommt von sich los. Man glaubt nicht mehr, die Dinge so gestalten zu können, wie man sie innerhalb der Umgebung gestalten will. Man lernt hinschauen auf dasjenige, was die Zeit fordert, was die objektiven Tatsachen fordern. Und da frage ich Sie jetzt, was die objektiven Tatsachen fordern, wie Sie das behandeln. Das bleibt durchaus bestehen, dass Sie glauben, Sie reden für alle Menschen, aber das entscheidet ja nichts. Es entscheidet nur, ob alle Menschen noch zu Ihnen gehen in die Predigt. Und sehen Sie, da können Sie nicht mit «Ja» antworten. Es gibt unter denen, die nicht in die Kirche gehen, auch solche, die den Weg sonst wo suchen. Nicht zu denjenigen, die zu Ihnen in die Kirche gehen, spreche ich, sondern zu denjenigen, die eben auch den Weg zum Christentum haben wollen, und die nicht zu Ihnen gehen. Das ist aus den Tatsachen folgend. Dass dies aber durchaus nicht etwas ist, was der Religion Abbruch tut, beweist der Umstand, dass wir in der Waldorfschule unter den gegebenen Zeitumständen den Religionsunterricht von den betreffenden Pfarrern den Kindern erteilen lassen, und nur für diejenigen, die sonst keinen Religionsunterricht hätten, einen Religionsunterricht eingerichtet haben. 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