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And on the other hand, the person who enjoys the extensive trust of a second person is subject to a powerful temptation that only highly developed, highly spiritual personalities can resist: namely, the temptation to be pleased with the power he has gained over the other person, and then easily exert too much influence over him in all things. This is not meant to imply that I have any mistrust of the lecturer, who has spoken so excellently to us, in this regard. But it has been proven throughout world history, even if one only surveys it in a certain way, as I survey it, that there is a certain danger here, which we must be careful of and to which we must be attentive when we want to encourage one or the other of our acquaintances to take an interest in spiritual science. Incidentally, I am pleased to note that what Dr. Steiner said this evening about his religious views has been very beneficial for me personally.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"2. 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Und auf der anderen Seite ist für den, der das weitgehende Vertrauen eines Zweiten genießt, eine mächtige Versuchung vorhanden, der nur ganz hochentwickelte, nur seelisch ganz hochstehende Persönlichkeiten widerstehen können: Nämlich die Versuchung, dass er sich freut über die Macht, die er über den andern gewonnen hat, und dann leicht in allem einen zu weitgehenden Einfluss auf ihn ausüben könnte. Das soll natürlich keineswegs die Meinung haben, dass ich etwa in dieser Beziehung dem Herrn Vortragenden, der so ausgezeichnet zu uns gesprochen hat, ein Misstrauen entgegenbringen würde. Aber es ist durch die Weltgeschichte, auch wenn man sie in einer gewissen Weise nur überschaut, wie ich sie überschaue, erwiesen, dass hier eine gewisse Gefahr liegt, der gegenüber wir vorsichtig sein müssen und auf das wir aufmerksam sein müssen, wenn wir den oder jenen von unseren Bekannten aufmuntern wollten, dass er sich für Geisteswissenschaft interessiere. 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