{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 82/1922-04-12/p025","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Assuming that this were already fully developed; that phenomenalism were there, and thinking were to consist only in regulative principles ordering phenomena, then we have something that we could no longer call knowledge in the sense of the older concepts of knowledge, for example, gnosis. For what did that consist of which, in the past, out of instinctive human worldview, was always called knowledge? In my book 'The Riddles of Philosophy' you can read more about this in Greek times: Cognition consisted in the fact that when one looked at the world, one did not merely perceive the sense perceptions - sounds, colors, qualities of warmth - but that one perceived the thought objectively outside, outside oneself, like a color. Goethe still claims for himself that he sees his ideas in the world as the Greeks saw the ideas in the world, namely as sense perceptions. But now imagine a person in this mental-sensual activity. He looks at something, not just the colors, but the thoughts. By looking at the thoughts, he feels within himself, he experiences within himself not something passive as today, where we have only the sensual before us, but he felt activity within himself. This is the reason for Plato's assertion that there is something active in seeing, something like grasping. He felt something like activity, something that connected him as a human being with what he saw as an object outside. And this was knowledge, this feeling, this experience of an activity, it was not merely the acceptance of a passive thing. This way of experiencing knowledge is today found only in some retarded individuals, in some people who live more by their instincts than by their intellects, or it can be newly acquired by those who, in the anthroposophical sense, work their way up again into higher knowledge, but now fully consciously and not instinctively, as was still the case with gnosticism. But today ordinary consciousness is increasingly approaching the point where it is passively surrendered to external phenomena, where thinking is no longer considered a phenomenon, where it lives only in it as a guiding principle for ordering phenomena more and more practically and putting them at the service of humanity.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"6. Anthroposophy and Agnosticism","site_heading":null,"date":"1922-04-12","location":null,"word_count":368,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/82/1922-04-12/p025","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:identity","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2025","book_title":"So That Man may Become Fully Human","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA082/English/SOL2025/19220412p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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In meinem Buche «Die Rätsel der Philosophie» können Sie das Nähere für die griechische Zeit nachlesen: Erkenntnis bestand darin, daß man ja überhaupt, wenn man die Welt angesehen hat, nicht bloß die Sinneswahrnehmungen - Töne, Farben, Wärmequalitäten empfunden hat, sondern daß man den Gedanken objektiv draußen, außer sich wahrgenommen hat wie eine Farbe. Goethe nimmt noch für sich in Anspruch, so seine Ideen in der Welt zu sehen, wie die Griechen die Ideen in der Welt gesehen haben, nämlich wie Sinneswahrnehmungen. Aber nun stellen Sie sich einen Menschen in dieser seelisch-sinnlichen Tätigkeit vor. Er schaut etwas an, nicht nur die Farben, sondern die Gedanken. Indem er die Gedanken schaut, da fühlt er in sich, erlebt er in sich nicht etwas Passives wie heute, wo wir das bloß Sinnenfällige vor uns haben, sondern Aktivität fühlte er in sich. Darauf ist es zurückzuführen bei Plato, daß in dem Sehen etwas Aktives liege, etwas wie ein Greifen. Etwas wie Aktivität fühlte er, etwas, was ihn als Mensch verband mit demjenigen, was er als Objekt draußen sah. Und dieses war Erkennen, dieses Fühlen, dieses Erleben einer Tätigkeit, war nicht bloß das Hinnehmen eines Passiven. Diese Art, die Erkenntnis zu erleben, ist heute nur bei einigen zurückgeblieben, bei einigen mehr in ihrem Instinkt als in ihrem Intellekt lebenden Menschen, oder neu erworben bei denjenigen, die sich eben auf anthroposophische Art wiederum, aber jetzt vollbewußt und nicht instinktiv, wie auch bei der Gnosis noch, in höhere Erkenntnisse hinaufarbeiten. Das gewöhnliche Bewußtsein nähert sich aber heute mehr und mehr dem Punkte, wo es passiv den äußeren Phänomenen hingegeben ist, wo das Denken nicht mehr gerechnet wird zu den Phänomenen, wo es nur darinnen lebt als richtunggebendes Prinzip, um die Phänomene immer praktischer zu ordnen und in den Dienst der Menschheit zu stellen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":355,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/82/1922-04-12/p025"}],"english":["GA 82/1922-04-12/p025"],"method":"identity","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":355,"en_words":368,"ratio":1.04,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","meaning","anchors","audit"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.04,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":12477,"original_word_count":12023,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2025","book_title":"So That Man may Become Fully Human","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA082/English/SOL2025/19220412p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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