{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 82/1922-04-12/p060","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"There you have a connection between what influences other people at a later age and what, let's say, pious feelings and the like were present in the life in early childhood. There is an organic connection between the earlier and the later. And only when you know the whole person do you see how he has an infinite number of such connections. Today we are stuck with our whole life outside of this reality. We imagine that we are full of reality, but we are abstract creatures in our culture of life. We do not pay attention to true reality. For example, we do not pay attention to such things. We also do not pay attention to the fact that when we teach a child, we must avoid, if possible, giving him sharply contoured concepts, especially in primary school. These are really for a later age, as if one were to constrict the limbs and prevent them from growing larger. What we pass on to the child must be an organism, must be mobile. Now you are gradually approaching what I mean by an organism. Of course, it is only possible within the imagination. But one can still arrive at a mental image of an organism, if one is clear about the fact that what takes place in time in the human being does not relate to the spatial organism, but to the temporal organism. Now you see that there is a reality in time. You can also see this in mathematics. There was once a very nice discussion about this. I believe it was Ostwald who pointed out - not a supporter of the humanities, but someone who is not exactly a materialist - that the organic processes that take place in time cannot be reversed with the mechanical process. But the fact is that you can't even get close to the time processes with the usual calculations. You actually always remain outside of the time processes with the usual calculations. They do not follow the processes as such. If, for example, you insert negative quantities into a formula for the lunar eclipse, you get the more distant things, but you do not move away with the things. You only move in the spatial sphere. And so you only get a correct concept of what the human physical body actually is if you can separate the spatial from the temporal. In the case of man it is of fundamental importance, because one does not arrive at any understanding at all if one does not know that with him everything temporal proceeds as an entity for itself, and the spatial is ruled by the temporal as by something dynamic, while with a machine the temporal is only a function of that which has a spatial effect. That is the difference. For humans, the temporal is real, while for a mechanism, the temporal is only a function of space. That is what it ultimately comes down to.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"6. Anthroposophy and Agnosticism","site_heading":null,"date":"1922-04-12","location":null,"word_count":496,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/82/1922-04-12/p060","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:identity","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2025","book_title":"So That Man may Become Fully Human","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA082/English/SOL2025/19220412p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Wir achten auch nicht darauf, daß wir, wenn wir einem Kinde etwas beibringen, möglichst vermeiden müssen, namentlich im Volksschulalter, ihm scharfkonturierte Begriffe zu geben. Die sind wirklich so für das spätere Alter, als wenn man die Glieder einschnüren würde und sie nicht größer wachsen ließe. Was wir dem Kinde überliefern, muß ein Organismus sein, muß beweglich sein. Da kommen Sie nun allmählich an das heran, was ich mit einem Organismus meine. Natürlich, vollständig ist es nur möglich innerhalb der Imagination. Aber man kommt trotzdem zu einer Vorstellung von einem Organismus, wenn man sich nur klar darüber ist, daß eben dasjenige, was im Menschen zeitlich verläuft, sich nicht bezieht auf den Raumesorganismus, sondern auf den Zeitorganismus. Nun sehen Sie, daß in der Zeit eine Realität liegt. Sie können es wiederum aus der Mathematik heraus entnehmen. Da hat es einmal eine ganz nette Diskussion gegeben. Ich glaube, Ostwald war es, der darauf aufmerksam gemacht hat - also kein Anhänger der Geisteswissenschaft, sondern ein Mensch, der nur nicht gerade Materialist ist —, daß die organischen Prozesse, die in der Zeit verlaufen, nicht mit dem mechanischen Prozeß umkehrbar sind. Nun ist es aber so, daß man mit der gewöhnlichen Rechnung überhaupt an die Zeitprozesse gar nicht herankommt. Sie bleiben mit der gewöhnlichen Rechnung eigentlich immer außerhalb der Zeitprozesse. Sie verfolgen nicht die Prozesse als solche. Wenn Sie zum Beispiel in einer Formel für die Mondfinsternis negative Größen einsetzen, so kriegen Sie die weiter zurückliegenden Dinge, aber Sie bewegen sich nicht mit den Dingen weg. Sie bewegen sich nur in der Raumessphäre. Und so bekommt man auch nur einen richtigen Begriff von dem, was eigentlich physischer Leib des Menschen ist, wenn man trennen kann vom Zeitlichen das Räumliche. Beim Menschen ist es von fundamentaler Bedeutung, weil man überhaupt zu keinem Verständnis kommt, wenn man nicht weiß, daß bei ihm alles Zeitliche als Entität für sich verläuft, und das Räumliche von dem Zeitlichen als von etwas Dynamischem beherrscht wird, während bei einer Maschine das Zeitliche nur eine Funktion ist desjenigen, was räumlich wirkt. Das ist der Unterschied. Beim Menschen ist das Zeitliche ein Reales, während beim Mechanismus das Zeitliche nur eine Funktion des Raumes ist. Darauf kommt es zuletzt hinaus.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":471,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/82/1922-04-12/p060"}],"english":["GA 82/1922-04-12/p060"],"method":"identity","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":471,"en_words":496,"ratio":1.05,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","meaning","anchors","audit"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.04,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":12477,"original_word_count":12023,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2025","book_title":"So That Man may Become Fully Human","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA082/English/SOL2025/19220412p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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