{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 83/1922-06-05/p003","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Nowadays, if you start to discuss, with someone who is interested in these matters, the possibility of achieving a knowledge of spiritual life in conjunction with the sensuous and physical world, you will generally meet with a sympathetic reception. At any rate, the question will be raised: Are there paths by which man can reach some kind of spiritual knowledge? even though it may often turn out that the only knowledge of a spiritual world allowed is one that takes the form of general concepts and ideas, a vague pantheism perhaps or a conception of life reminiscent of mysticism. If however you should then attempt, as it became necessary for me to do in my book *Occult Science*, to describe a real cosmology, a science of the origin and development of the world in specific terms, discussion with a rationalist is usually at an end. He reacts strongly to the suggestion that anyone today might be in a position, on some epistemological basis or other, to make a statement about a spiritual origin of the world, about forces operating spiritually in the world's development, and about the possibility that this development, after having passed through a sensuous and physical phase, might lead back once more into a spiritual form of existence. The reaction of the rationalist to such a suggestion, implicit in the specific descriptions in *Occult Science*, for example, is to avoid having anything to do with someone who makes claims of this kind. He will think that, if a man sets out to make specific statements about such matters, he is probably on the verge of losing his reason; at least, we cannot compromise ourselves by becoming involved in discussing these details.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"5. 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Wenn man heute mit jemandem, der an solchen Dingen Interesse hat, zu diskutieren beginnt über die Möglichkeit einer Erkenntnis des geistigen Lebens in Verbindung mit der sinnlich-physischen Welt, so findet man im allgemeinen Entgegenkommen, so daß wenigstens die Frage aufgeworfen wird: Kann der Mensch durch irgendwelche Wege zu einer Art geistiger Erkenntnis kommen? - wenn es sich auch oftmals im weiteren VerJaufe zeigt, daß man nicht mehr zulassen will als eine Erkenntnis einer geistigen Welt ganz in allgemeinen Begriffen und Ideen, vielleicht in irgendeiner Form eines verschwommenen Pantheismus oder auch einer mehr oder weniger an das Mystische anklingenden Lebensauffassung. Wenn man dagegen dann so weit geht, wie mir das in meiner «Geheimwissenschaft» notwendig geworden ist, daß man zu schildern versucht eine wirkliche Kosmologie, eine Wissenschaft von Weltenwerden und Weltenentwickelung in einzelnen konkreten Gestaltungen, dann hört heute zumeist dem aufgeklärten Menschen gegenüber die Diskussion auf, Daß irgend jemand in unserer Zeit imstande sein könnte, aus irgendwelchen Erkenntnisuntergründen heraus etwas zu sagen über einen geistigen Ursprung der Welt, über geistig wirksame Kräfte in der Weltentwickelung, über die Möglichkeit, daß die Weltentwickelung wiederum in eine geistige Form des Daseins zurückkehre, nachdem sie ihre sinnlich-physische Phase durchgemacht hat, das wird, wenn es zum Beispiel in meiner «Geheimwissenschaft» in einzelnen konkreten Schilderungen auftritt, mehr oder weniger so angesehen, daß man dann mit dem, der so etwas behauptet, als aufgeklärter Mensch nicht mehr viel zu tun haben will. Denn man denkt ja wohl: Wenn sich jemand anheischig macht, über solche Dinge im einzelnen etwas zu sagen, dann ist er wohl im Grunde nahe daran, den Verstand zu verlieren; mindestens kann man sich nicht so kompromittieren, in die Diskussion solcher Einzelheiten sich einzulassen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":280,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/83/1922-06-05/p003"}],"english":["GA 83/1922-06-05/p003"],"method":"length","confidence":"medium","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":280,"en_words":284,"ratio":1.01,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"proposed","verified":false},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":0.98,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":7124,"original_word_count":7286,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"B. A. 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