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But for the insiders, they were deeper understandings of the entire myths and stories of the gods.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":95,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/87/1901-11-30/p011","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Ancient Mysteries and Christianity","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA087/English/SOL2024/19011130p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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The naturalistic meaning lies simply in the fact that one understands the actual as such, that one has a mythological history of the gods. The second conception would then be something that took place in [Greek] life, and that was the marriage of the Ionian spirit with the Doric.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":187,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/87/1901-11-30/p012","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Ancient Mysteries and Christianity","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA087/English/SOL2024/19011130p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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The fusion of these two views has thus taken place in this myth.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":129,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/87/1901-11-30/p013","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Ancient Mysteries and Christianity","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA087/English/SOL2024/19011130p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. The translator IS verified for this lecture: its own source names the translator (evidence: the lecture's page, rsarchive's lecture list, or the cover of the book it was published in), and that page's text was matched against this unit (see match_score and source_url). 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We can only understand this historically if we stick to the sparse information we have. We are first referred to the temple in which the service of Demeter takes place. This Demeter service is a service in which we encounter the three deities mentioned. Demeter herself is one of the greatest deities of Greece, symbolically shaped, with the inscription: \"I am the origin of the soul, I am the origin of the spirit.\" At her side, Persephone is presented to us with the inscription: \"I am death and carry within me the secret of life.\" Her brother Dionysus is presented to us with an even stranger inscription: \"I am death, I am life, I am rebirth and adorned with wings.\" - If we understand this, we come to the interpretation of one of the most important Greek myths. Demeter loses her daughter. She has to give her Persephone to Hades. She could return to her mother if she had not already partaken of the fruit of the pomegranate with Hades and was therefore unable to return completely. This Persephone is supposed to save her brother. Only this makes it possible - now in a deeper sense - for Persephone to return, for Dionysus to sacrifice himself. We have to look at these two in context again. We must recognize that sacrifice is what matters here. This is shown to us by the fact that Orpheus - who is originally credited with having communicated the deeper content of this to the Greek people - was also sacrificed, for he is also said to have been torn apart and to have lived on as a spirit by having flowed out into the world matter. The child of eternal life must be sacrificed to Hades, to Pluto. We can only understand this if we see the material world in Pluto. Thus, according to the esoteric view, we see in Demeter the universal spirituality, the primordial mother of intelligence, and in Hades the material world. In the whole Persephone myth we see the necessity of Persephone's falling away from her mother. The daughter must enter matter. She must partake of the pomegranate of the underworld. Now she can no longer save herself from matter and therefore a second sacrifice is necessary. Persephone's brother, Dionysus, must sacrifice himself again. He must allow his [own] spiritual nature to flow out into the gross nature, so that Persephone now enters into a spiritual marriage with her brother, but can flow back again to the original spirit of the primordial mother, Demeter. This mystery of the spirituality's necessary departure from itself, this immersion of the spirits in the material and this longing of the spirit to return to the spiritual is expressed in the Demeter myth.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":470,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/87/1901-11-30/p014","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Ancient Mysteries and Christianity","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA087/English/SOL2024/19011130p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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This is what appears to them as a mere logical chain of thought.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":129,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/87/1901-11-30/p015","witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Ancient Mysteries and Christianity","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA087/English/SOL2024/19011130p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. The translator IS verified for this lecture: its own source names the translator (evidence: the lecture's page, rsarchive's lecture list, or the cover of the book it was published in), and that page's text was matched against this unit (see match_score and source_url). 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Dabei ist aber nicht zu glauben, dass es dasselbe sei wie die Namen der griechischen oder ägyptischen Gottheiten. Für die Außenstehenden hatten sie dieselben Namen. Aber für die Eingeweihten waren es tiefere Auffassungen der ganzen Mythen und Göttergeschichten.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":89,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/87/1901-11-30/p011"},{"locus":"GA 87/1901-11-30/p012","passage_number":12,"text":"Der bekannteste griechische Mythos ist derjenige von Demeter und ihrer Tochter Persephone und dann der schon öfter erwähnte Dionysos-Mythos. Demeter, eine der obersten weiblichen griechischen Gottheiten, wurde zuerst aufgefasst in einer naturalistischen Bedeutung. Sie hatte mit Zeus eine Tochter, Persephone. Diese wurde von dem Hades, dem Gotte der Unterwelt, geraubt. Hades hatte sich ausgebeten, diese Tochter in der Unterwelt als Gemahlin nehmen zu dürfen. Nur zeitweilig sollte sie wieder auf der Oberwelt verbleiben. Zwei Drittel sollte sie in der Oberwelt und ein Drittel in der Unterwelt verbleiben. Dieser Mythos, der in Griechenland überall lebendig ist in seiner naturalistischen Bedeutung, der war auch dasjenige, was in gewissen Mysterien zu finden war, was namentlich den Eleusinischen Mysterien zugrunde lag. Dieser Mythos hatte ebenfalls eine dreifache Bedeutung. Die naturalistische Bedeutung liegt einfach darin, dass man das Tatsächliche als solches auffasst, dass man also eine mythologische Göttergeschichte hat. Die zweite Auffassung würde dann sein etwas, was sich im [griechischen] Leben vollzogen hat, und das war die Vermählung des ionischen Geistes mit dem dorischen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":169,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/87/1901-11-30/p012"},{"locus":"GA 87/1901-11-30/p013","passage_number":13,"text":"Das griechische Volk war ja gespalten in Volksstämme. Zu den wichtigsten gehörten die Dorer und die Ionier. Bei den Dorern war die Demeter-Sage entstanden, und die Ionier hatten sie übernommen und mit dem Dionysos-Mythos vermischt. Die Dionysos-Sage interessiert uns deshalb, weil sie zur esoterischen Auffassung führt. Dionysos ist ebenfalls ein Sohn des Zeus und der Demeter. Er wurde zerrissen, und es gelang nur, das Herz zu retten. Daraus hatte Zeus den jüngeren Dionysos gebildet. Die Glieder aber konnte er nicht mehr nehmen. Es ist also so, dass die Welt die zerstreuten Glieder darstellt. Dies stellt also die Vermählung der dorischen Persephone mit dem ionischen Dionysos dar. Die Verschmelzung dieser beiden Anschauungen hat sich also in diesem Mythos vollzogen.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":118,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/87/1901-11-30/p013"},{"locus":"GA 87/1901-11-30/p014","passage_number":14,"text":"Das aber, was jetzt noch zu bemerken ist, ist die dritte, die göttliche Auffassung. Diese verstehen wir geschichtlich nur dann, wenn wir uns an die spärlichen Nachrichten halten, die wir haben. Wir werden zunächst hingewiesen auf jenen Tempel, in welchem der Demeter-Dienst stattfindet. Jener Demeter-Dienst ist ein Dienst, in dem uns die drei genannten Gottheiten entgegentreten. Demeter selber ist da eine der größten Gottheiten Griechenlands, symbolisch gestaltet, mit der Inschrift: «Ich bin der Ursprung der Seele, ich bin der Ursprung des Geistes.» An der Seite wird uns vorgeführt Persephone mit der Inschrift: «Ich bin der Tod und trage in mir das Geheimnis des Lebens.» Ihr Bruder Dionysos wird uns vorgeführt mit einer noch merkwürdigeren Inschrift: «Ich bin der Tod, ich bin das Leben, ich bin die Wiedergeburt und geschmückt mit Flügeln.» — Wenn wir dies verstehen, so kommen wir zu der Auslegung einer der wichtigsten griechischen Mythen. Demeter verliert ihre Tochter. Sie muss ihre Persephone hingeben an den Hades. Sie könnte zu ihrer Mutter wieder zurückkehren, wenn sie nicht schon bei Hades von der Frucht des Granatapfels genossen hätte und dadurch nicht ganz zurückkehren kann. Diese Persephone soll ihren Bruder retten. Nur dadurch ist das möglich - jetzt im tieferen Sinne —, dass Persephone wieder zurückkommt, dass Dionysos sich aufopfert. Diese beiden müssen wir wieder im Zusammenhang betrachten. Wir müssen erkennen, dass Opferung es ist, auf das es hier ankommt. Das zeigt uns der Umstand, dass auch Orpheus - dem ursprünglich zugeschrieben wird, dass er den tieferen Gehalt davon dem griechischen Volk mitgeteilt hat - aufgeopfert wurde, denn von ihm wird auch mitgeteilt, dass er zerrissen worden ist und als ein Geist fortlebt dadurch, dass er in die Weltmaterie ausgeflossen ist. Aufgeopfert muss das Kind des ewigen Lebens werden dem Hades, dem Pluto. Wir können das nur verstehen, wenn wir in Pluto die materielle Welt sehen. So haben wir also in der Demeter nach esoterischer Auffassung zu sehen die universelle Geistigkeit, die Urmutter der Intelligenz und in dem Hades die materielle Welt. In dem ganzen Persephone-Mythos haben wir zu sehen die Notwendigkeit des Abfalls der Persephone von ihrer Mutter. Die Tochter muss in die Materie eingehen. Sie muss von dem Granatapfel der Unterwelt genießen. Jetzt kann sie sich nicht mehr aus der Materie retten und deshalb ist ein zweites Opfer nötig. Der Bruder der Persephone, Dionysos, muss sich seinerseits wieder aufopfern. Er muss seine [eigene] geistige Natur in die groRe Natur ausfließen lassen, sodass nun Persephone in die geistige Ehe mit ihrem Bruder kommt, aber wieder zurückströmen kann zu dem ursprünglichen Geist der Urmutter, der Demeter. Dieses Geheimnis des notwendigen Abfalls der Geistigkeit von sich selbst, diese Versenkung der Geister in das Materielle und diese Sehnsucht des Geistes wieder zurück zum Geistigen drückt sich aus in dem Demeter-Mythos.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":458,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/87/1901-11-30/p014"},{"locus":"GA 87/1901-11-30/p015","passage_number":15,"text":"Das war die lebhafte Erfahrung, welche denjenigen beigebracht werden sollte, welche in die Eleusinischen Mysterien eingeführt wurden. Sie sollten den Drang bekommen, aus der Materie zur geistigen Urmutter zurückzufinden. Das ist es, was in Griechenland lebte im Geiste einiger Auserwählter und was die ganze Weltanschauung zwischen Pythagoras und Platon trug. Was als der tiefere Geist in diesen Persönlichkeiten vom Empedokles über Anaxagoras bis Sokrates und Platon lebte, es nimmt sich manchmal bloß aus als eine logische Gedankenkette, was uns von den Philosophen vorgeführt wird. Es ist aber eine Darlegung des griechischen Mythos, eine Darlegung, welche gepflegt wurde überall da, wo man nach einer tieferen Grundlage suchte. Dies ist es, was sich bei ihnen als eine bloß logische Gedankenkette ausnimmt.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":119,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/87/1901-11-30/p015"}],"beads":[{"from":[11],"to":[11],"confidence":"high"},{"from":[12],"to":[12],"confidence":"high"},{"from":[13],"to":[13],"confidence":"high"},{"from":[14],"to":[14],"confidence":"high"},{"from":[15],"to":[15],"confidence":"high"}],"note":"Paired by the paragraph aligner; each language numbers its own paragraphs. A bead at either end of the span can carry text beyond it (the `from` numbers show what each bead covers)."}}