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Not that which man absorbed within himself was to be a symbol for the external process, no, just the opposite. The whole of nature itself became a parable. In the mysticism of those centuries we have to do with exactly the opposite of what the materialistic scholars of the nineteenth century imagine. They believe that what the ancients thought up was only a parable. No, it is just the opposite. The scientific idea is only a parable for what lies behind it.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"20. 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David Friedrich Strauß, Darwin und so weiter haben darin gefehlt, dass sie gesagt haben, die Phantasie [des Volkes] habe den durch die Wolken fahrenden Blitz als eine göttliche Tatsache vorgestellt, sie sei dann fortgeschritten von dem und bis zu den Göttern gekommen, zu Gott Zeus und so weiter. Das seien aber nur Vorstellungen der Phantasie, der Volksmythologie. Dadurch haben sie alles Religiöse abgestreift. Die [wissenschaftliche] Wahrheit ist an ihre Stelle getreten. Aber niemals ist diese Sache [so] vertreten worden innerhalb der mystischen Lehren. Wenn auch aufgestiegen wurde von [den Vorstellungen] der Volksreligion zu dem wissenschaftlichen Untersuchen des Ganges der Sterne - hinter den Erscheinungen wurde doch erst das Göttliche gesucht. Nicht das, was der Mensch in sich aufnahm, sollte ein Symbol für den äußeren Vorgang sein, nein, gerade umgekehrt. Die ganze Natur wurde selbst ein Gleichnis. In der Mystik der damaligen Jahrhunderte haben wir es genau mit dem Umgekehrten zu tun, als dasjenige ist, das sich die materialistischen Gelehrten des neunzehnten Jahrhunderts vorstellen. Diese glauben, dass das, was die Alten sich ausgedacht haben, nur ein Gleichnis sei. Nein, gerade umgekehrt ist es. 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