{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 90b/1905-01-30/p007","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"In connection with the matters that have been discussed in my absence, I would like to send some advance information. Miss von Sivers has presented the development of the earth and the sun in a way that I am able to present. However, the views of the various occult researchers in this field are only seemingly opposed. You must not believe that if something seems to contradict itself, that is a real contradiction. So if Mr. Schouten believes he has found a contradiction between what has been presented here and what he knows from our esteemed comrade Leadbeater, then of course it requires a kind of illumination on the whole, how to understand such things; we will discuss this in detail. Above all, please note that no practical mystic claims to be presenting a universally valid dogma. Neither Leadbeater nor I make such a claim. Each presents what he is able to present as the results of his observations. And please do not interpret what is presented here as anything other than a story that someone tells about what he has experienced. It can be discussed, it makes no claim to dogmatic value, they are not tenets. At first one might object: If different researchers in this field contradict each other, how can one ever arrive at clarity? But that is not the case. If you read travel descriptions of the most diverse regions, you will see how different even these descriptions are. And the observations of occult researchers are just as varied as these observations. With some understanding, which is difficult in this area, one always, without exception, comes to exactly the same results. There is never any real contradiction between two occult researchers if they both proceed in the necessary objective manner, really working with all the means of occult research.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"IV. 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Vor allem halten Sie fest, dass kein praktischer Mystiker darauf Anspruch macht, ein allgemeingültiges Dogma vorzutragen. Diesen Anspruch machen nicht Leadbeater und auch ich nicht. Jeder trägt vor, was er als solche Beobachtungsresultate vorzubringen in der Lage ist. Und was hier vorgebracht wird, fassen Sie bitte nicht anders auf als eine Erzählung, die jemand gibt von dem, was er erfahren hat. Darüber kann geredet werden, das macht keinen Anspruch auf dogmatischen Wert, das sind keine Lehrsätze. Zunächst könnte man einwenden: Wenn sich verschiedene Forscher auf diesem Gebiet widersprechen, wie soll man überhaupt zu einer Klarheit kommen? $o liegt aber die Sache nicht. Wenn Sie Reisebeschreibungen der verschiedensten Gegenden lesen, so werden Sie sehen, wie verschieden schon diese Beschreibungen sind. Und so verschieden wie diese Beobachtungen sind, so verschieden sind auch die Beobachtungen der okkulten Forscher. Bei einiger Verständigung, die auf diesem Gebiete aber schwierig ist, kommt man immer, und zwar ausnahmslos, zu ganz denselben Ergebnissen. 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