{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 90b/1905-10-22/p004","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"So I would like to talk about the relationship between occultism and the theosophical movement and some other related questions. It has been discussed many times whether the theosophical movement, especially as it is expressed in the Theosophical Society, is an occult movement, or whether one should disregard all occultism in the theosophical movement. The Theosophical movement as such, insofar as it expresses itself in the Theosophical Society, cannot be an occult movement. An occult movement has different prerequisites from those that may be expressed in the Theosophical Society. There have been occult societies at all times. Above all, these had one essential requirement: namely, that they were a kind of hierarchical structure by the very nature of their aspirations. This means that the members of such a society, brotherhood, were organized in degrees. Each degree, from the first up to the ninetieth degree, had its own specific task. Within each degree there were very specific tasks. No one could be promoted to a higher degree until they had fulfilled the tasks of the lower degree.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"XVII. The Relationship of Occultism to the Theosophical Movement","site_heading":null,"date":"1905-10-22","location":null,"word_count":176,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/90b/1905-10-22/p004","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:identity","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Self-Knowledge and God-Knowledge II","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA090b/English/SOL2024/19051022p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Es ist oft und oft darüber gesprochen worden, ob die theosophische Bewegung, insbesondere insofern sie sich in der Theosophischen Gesellschaft zum Ausdruck bringt, eine okkulte Bewegung sei, oder ob man von allem Okkultismus in der theosophischen Bewegung absehen müsse. Die theosophische Bewegung als solche, insofern sie sich in der Theosophischen Gesellschaft zum Ausdruck bringt, kann keine okkulte Bewegung sein. Eine okkulte Bewegung hat andere Voraussetzungen als diejenigen sind, die in der Theosophischen Gesellschaft zum Ausdruck kommen können. Okkulte Gesellschaften hat es zu allen Zeiten gegeben. Diese hatten vor allen Dingen eines notwendig: nämlich, dass sie durch die ganze Art ihres Strebens eine Art von hierarchischer Gliederung waren. Das heißt, dass die Mitglieder einer solchen Gesellschaft, Brüderschaft, nach Graden geordnet waren. Jeder Grad, vom ersten bis hinauf in die neunziger Grade, hatte seine ganz bestimmte Aufgabe. Innerhalb jeden Grades gab es ganz bestimmte Aufgaben. Niemand konnte vorher in einen höheren Grad befördert werden, bis er die Aufgaben des niederen Grades erfüllt hatte.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":179,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/90b/1905-10-22/p004"}],"english":["GA 90b/1905-10-22/p004"],"method":"identity","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":179,"en_words":176,"ratio":0.98,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","meaning","audit"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.04,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":8023,"original_word_count":7678,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Self-Knowledge and God-Knowledge II","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA090b/English/SOL2024/19051022p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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