{"corpus":"steiner","locus":"GA 90b/1905-10-22/p016","lang":"en","edition":"English","edition_basis":null,"is_original":false,"is_default_edition":true,"text":"Take, for example, Pythagoras' teaching of the music of the spheres, as he taught it to his students. Philosophers seek to present Pythagoras' occult music as a very simple system. The intellect can grasp this quickly. But for him, it was important that the student only came to it when his mind, his mood, was prepared for it. It is also impossible for someone who has no sense for images that originate in the astral to want to explain the deeper meaning of Raphael's Sistine Madonna: the feeling, the mind, must climb up to it. What otherwise leaves the idea cold appears here in the picture artistically full of life as the divine world thought, as that which the divine forces have created the world after - and a simple line becomes something sacred! By entwining thoughts around the element of the divine, thought is brought to divine influence.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"title":"XVII. The Relationship of Occultism to the Theosophical Movement","site_heading":null,"date":"1905-10-22","location":null,"word_count":149,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/en/ga/90b/1905-10-22/p016","alignment_confidence":"high","alignment_reason":"beads:identity","two_voice_volume":false,"translation_credit":{"scope":"unit","status":"established","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Self-Knowledge and God-Knowledge II","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA090b/English/SOL2024/19051022p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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Aber ihm kam es darauf an, dass der Schüler erst dann dazu kam, wenn sein Gemüt, seine Stimmung dafür vorbereitet war. Demjenigen, der keinen Sinn hat für Bilder, die dem Astralischen entstammen, ist es auch unmöglich, das Bild der Sixtinischen Madonna von Raffael in seinem tieferen Sinne erklären zu wollen: Das Gefühl, das Gemüt, muss sich an ihm hinaufranken. Dasjenige, was sonst in der Idee kalt lässt, erscheint ihm hier im Bild künstlerisch lebensvoll als der göttliche Weltgedanke, als dasjenige, wonach die göttlichen Kräfte die Welt geschaffen haben - und eine einfache Linie wird zu etwas Heiligem! Dadurch, dass die Gedanken sich um das Element des Göttlichen herumschlingen, wird der Gedanke entgegengebracht göttlicher Einwirkung.","text_trust":"verbatim","quote_safe":true,"word_count":151,"url":"https://anthroposophy.ai/v1/steiner/de/ga/90b/1905-10-22/p016"}],"english":["GA 90b/1905-10-22/p016"],"method":"identity","confidence":"high","correspondence":"established","length_check":{"de_words":151,"en_words":149,"ratio":0.99,"partial":false},"pairing_state":"verified","verified":true,"evidence":["length","meaning","anchors","audit"]},"witness_completeness":{"ratio":1.04,"band":"comparable","note":null,"word_count":8023,"original_word_count":7678,"may_be_abridged":false},"witness_quality":{"translator":{"scope":"unit","status":"recorded","translator":"Steiner Online Library","identified_edition":"SOL2024","book_title":"Self-Knowledge and God-Knowledge II","publisher":"Steiner Online Library","publisher_inferred":true,"match_score":1.0,"source_url":"https://www.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA090b/English/SOL2024/19051022p01.html","evidence":"lecture_page_line","publisher_note":"The publisher is inferred from the edition code in this lecture's source URL, not stated by the source page. 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